Corbynomics: A Dystopia

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

A Corbyn government will be a disaster for Claptons.

yes indeed it probably would.

antrobus

BobQ wrote: »

True there will be more efforts to avoid taxes if they are higher, but the assertion was that there would be "a lot more immoral behaviour in terms of workers withholding taxes,". This suggests illegality and evasion. Not convinced of this. ...

"we find that on average, a 1 percent increase in the tax rate results in a 3 percent increase in evasion"
http://www.nber.org/papers/w8551

"Our finding is that higher tax rates lead to higher tax evasion."
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/222530543_A_contest_with_the_taxman__the_impact_of_tax_rates_on_tax_evasion_and_wastefully_invested_resources

It's the kind of thing economists argue about.

BobQ wrote: »

...If you are poor and do not own a house you have very little to lose - this was why the poll tax failed. If you have something to lose like a house or a business you are not likely to withhold your taxes (well no more than self employed people usually do to delay paying taxes).

Tax evasion is not a matter of 'withholding' your taxes. It's about hiding your income so that aren't any taxes due in the first place.

Moby

Generali wrote: »

You say fundamentally decent, I say deluded fool out to ruin the middle classes of the UK in the name of his unique and antiquated view of fairness.

An example of his decency......he was seen to be at the bottom of the Telegraph list of MP expenses claims. That wasn't manufactured or staged. No-one knew the list was going to be exposed. He works all hours in his constituency. Ask the people of Islington North, (many of them are middle class by the way) what they think of him! He lives a frugal life and the digging of the Daily Fail and Sun has yet to prove otherwise. Also fairness is fairness, in any time, in any place. You can say his views are 'antiquated' but the quality of 'decency' is timeless. It's like 'honour' or 'self respect'. You can't give these qualities to someone....they either have them 'within' or they don't!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

An example of his decency......he was seen to be at the bottom of the Telegraph list of MP expenses claims. That wasn't manufactured or staged. No-one knew the list was going to be exposed. He works all hours in his constituency. Ask the people of Islington North, (many of them are middle class by the way) what they think of him! He lives a frugal life and the digging of the Daily Fail and Sun has yet to prove otherwise. Also fairness is fairness, in any time, in any place. You can say his views are 'antiquated' but the quality of 'decency' is timeless. It's like 'honour' or 'self respect'. You can't give these qualities to someone....they either have them 'within' or they don't!

another example of his decency is that Hamas are one of his friends although he did qualify this friendship by claiming he was lying.

lisyloo

another example of his decency is that Hamas are one of his friends although he did qualify this friendship by claiming he was lying.

Being friendly with someone does not mean you like them, agree or support them.
Most of us are friendly with colleagues whom we don't like personally or professionally but have to work with and that's the best way to work towards an outcome.
There's a difference between being professional and posing as someone's best buddy.

Closing the channels of communication and refusing to speak with people would simply not work in many areas of professional work.

CLAPTON

lisyloo wrote: »

Being friendly with someone does not mean you like them, agree or support them.
Most of us are friendly with colleagues whom we don't like personally or professionally but have to work with and that's the best way to work towards an outcome.
There's a difference between being professional and posing as someone's best buddy.

Closing the channels of communication and refusing to speak with people would simply not work in many areas of professional work.

if he had spoken to both side of the dispute then I would agree but he didn't: he singled out the Hamas and said how privileged he was to be with his 'friends' and did pose as best buddies.

just like being friendly with the IRA; he didn't meet the prods did he?

deejaybee

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The Telegraph are predicting that Corbun will contemporaneously make Labour become irrelevant and destroy the United Kingdom.

The MSM at some point needs to decide amongst itself whether Labour is now the communist peril ready to indecently interfere with House Prices, Maddie, Caravanning holidays, and the memory of Diana, or an irrelevant spent force.

I fail to see how it can be both.

The first PMQs are going to be interesting. Corbyn will metaphorically tear Cameron a new one.

I read today that Corbyn will take part in little or no PMQs, and will instead delegate responsibility for this to other Labour MPs..

Maybe he will bring in a super-sub from a different team, like Gerry Adams or Martin McGuiness ?

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

if he had spoken to both side of the dispute then I would agree but he didn't: he singled out the Hamas and said how privileged he was to be with his 'friends' and did pose as best buddies.

just like being friendly with the IRA; he didn't meet the prods did he?

Politicians of all sides speak to terrorists all the time. Difference is he did it in public. His aim was to encourage 'jaw jaw' instead of 'war war'. Calling them 'friends' was not meant to be taken literally as if they were die hard 'buddies'. Of course when people are predisposed to view someone in a particular way because of their own prejudices they will spin it in the worst possible light.

Moby

deejaybee wrote: »

I read today that Corbyn will take part in little or no PMQs, and will instead delegate responsibility for this to other Labour MPs..

Maybe he will bring in a super-sub from a different team, like Gerry Adams or Martin McGuiness ?

Now there's an idea..after a steely eyed stare from Gerry Adams across the dispatch box I bet the brown stuff would be trickling down Eaton Boy's trouser leg:rotfl:

michaels

Here's a little what if for you all. Suppose the Tories used the same set of rules for their leadership election would we see the likes of John Redwood leading the party?