Corbynomics: A Dystopia

robin61

MacMickster wrote: »

I find it strange that everyone is pronouncing Corbyn's leadership the death of the Labour party in this country.

We have seen the resurgence of left wing anti-austerity parties across Europe. After another 5 years of unfettered austerity policies in this country Corbyn's rhetoric may well appeal to many on the receiving end of those policies who may not have turned out to vote at previous elections.

Add to the mix the possibility of the Conservatives potentially tearing their party apart over the EU referendum and we may be left with the centre ground being completely vacated by the parties and a more unstable political outlook.

Yep in what's basically a two horse race there is always a chance he could be the next PM. I just hope the Tories don't drop the ball. If they do I'm emigrating !

I just wish I'd put a grand on Comrade Corbyn when he was 100 to 1 against.

chucknorris

Fella wrote: »

I wouldn't necessarily say it's good news for the Tories. They'll be dragged to the left (there is plenty of scope for it if Corbyn sticks to his guns). So fag-packet analysis might suggest a Tory win is now more likely, but on a much more centrist manifesto than they might otherwise have fought on. So in a roundabout way Corbyn might achieve some of his aims even by losing.

Of course it's faintly ridiculous to make precise predictions on how something so far off might pan out, especially in these fairly unknown waters.

I'll be very happy if the Tory party move slightly left and take more of the middle ground votes.

Fella

Quite looking forward to the next PMQs. Be good if this leads to them becoming something that doesn't make me want to puke every time I see them. I.e. some actual debate as opposed to the current hideous concoction of stooge questions & infantile howling. Corbyn has so far tried to position himself as above that kind of thing so there are grounds for thinking he may refuse to play that game, which could force everyone else to follow suit.

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

Under a Corbyn Govt you would find a lot more immoral behaviour in terms of workers withholding taxes, especially the self employed that would resent the mass sponger free for all that Corbyn would deliver.

Opinion not evidence

Fella

I think it's an accepted fact that the higher taxes are the greater lengths people go to avoid paying them.

BobQ

Fella wrote: »

I think it's an accepted fact that the higher taxes are the greater lengths people go to avoid paying them.

True there will be more efforts to avoid taxes if they are higher, but the assertion was that there would be "a lot more immoral behaviour in terms of workers withholding taxes,". This suggests illegality and evasion. Not convinced of this. If you are poor and do not own a house you have very little to lose - this was why the poll tax failed. If you have something to lose like a house or a business you are not likely to withhold your taxes (well no more than self employed people usually do to delay paying taxes).

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

True there will be more efforts to avoid taxes if they are higher, but the assertion was that there would be "a lot more immoral behaviour in terms of workers withholding taxes,". This suggests illegality and evasion. Not convinced of this.

Simply get paid in cash. Old as the hills themselves.

Graham_Devon

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Simply get paid in cash. Old as the hills themselves.

How many companies will pay in cash these days?

And not sure you'd avoid tax anyway, as the company will be liable.

Unless you are simply talking about self employed trades men doing private work. In my opinion, those that want to avoid taxes and hide work will do so already.

Graham_Devon

On the Corbyn issue, I think people need to look at what the SNP were able to do with the younger vote.

Corbyn will be looking to gain the lions share of the younger vote. He will also be looking to regain ground in Scotland (which may not be that hard).

Those 2 sets of votes are pretty powerful and could quite easily outweigh any lost votes.

And in any case, who are those labour voters in England and Wales who say they now won't vote for labour going to vote for? It's not like there's a "labour-like" alternative. The Scots have that in the SNP, but the rest of the UK doesn't.

Rinoa

Fella wrote: »

Quite looking forward to the next PMQs.

Apparently JC has eMailed Labour members requesting suggestions for what he should ask Cameron.