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Corbynomics: A Dystopia
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Agreed apart from the first and third ones. Labour MPs will make life difficult for Corbyn and we may see a new party particularly when the de-selections start.
Somehow I doubt if plotting alone can overcome the huge gap between the MPs and the infiltrated part of the Labour Part .. There are other things that could also happen, although what precisely is anyone's guess.
Resignation of a Labour MP, possibly with the support of local members to force a bye election as a forerunner as "Real Labour"?
Resignation of the Labour Whip and simultaneous formation of the genuine Labour Party so that the Corbin Rump is no longer the Official Opposition?Union, not Disunion
I have a Right Wing and a Left Wing.
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Another issue: when Smith became the front runner as the alternative Labour Leader, I did initially think that he could gain good support from the country at large, but he has since positioned himself too far to the very left to make me believe that any more. Of course it may be a necessary tactic for the current Labour leadership election, but it does make me wonder if he is the right person to take the rebel MPs forward should be ?oose that election.Union, not Disunion
I have a Right Wing and a Left Wing.
It's the only way to fly straight.0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »They effectively became the Tories under Blair,
More to the point politics has has changed over the past 60 years. Ireland is not going to be united. The Berlin Wall has come down. Russia no longer controls Eastern Europe. The cold war is over. The US is at peace with Cuba. Israel isn't going to cease existing. Corbyn hasn't. Still stuck in a time warp.0 -
toast how come you describe blair as a tory when it was him ( via brown) that introduced the god awful tax credit system we have now with a benefits bill spiralling out of control - surely even as a left winger you cant support a policy that pays people not to work (or to work a bare minimum)Left is never right but I always am.0
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Mistermeaner wrote: »toast how come you describe blair as a tory when it was him ( via brown) that introduced the god awful tax credit system we have now with a benefits bill spiralling out of control - surely even as a left winger you cant support a policy that pays people not to work (or to work a bare minimum)
Was Brown's creation. The price of Brown's support. Blair is on record as disagreeing with the policy as early as 2005. As we know now. Blair had little option but to accede.0 -
It's probably already been said but those GoT fans among us cannot help notice the likeness between Corbyn and the 'high sparrow'.....and we all know what happened to him0
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I've always thought Corbyn looked like old man Steptoe. Owen Smith looks like Elvis Costello.0
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I just don't see how practical it is to split. No doubt there'll be all sorts of games played, but it's a big ask to actually rip the party apart.
A few choice defections is my bet. If you're at risk of de-selection and reckon you've got a fair crack at taking your local voters with you, what have you got to lose?
Most of the PLP are closer to the lib dems than new-old-labour now anyway.
We are potentially witnessing a tipping point. On the one hand an SDP like moment: a few high profile defections and some party members to follow. On the other 100+ members form a new party.
If Corbyn can control his legions and the constituencies resist the temptation to deselect MPs maybe the defections will be lower. But Corbyn cannot control these people and if they do deselect a few prominent members the tipping point will be reached.
100 members plus the LibDems is the basis of a party. Many Labour MPs may opt for this because they know that Labour will lose next time ( and as a losing MP they will get a lot of financial pay offs) but if they retain their seats they will at least have saved the real Labour Party. In short they have nothing to lose.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Mistermeaner wrote: »toast how come you describe blair as a tory when it was him ( via brown) that introduced the god awful tax credit system we have now with a benefits bill spiralling out of control - surely even as a left winger you cant support a policy that pays people not to work (or to work a bare minimum)
Tax credits are a taxpayer subsidy to employers to allow them to pay below a minimum wage. If Blair had cared about working people he would just have used his enormous Commons majority to force employers to pay a living wage, rather than a minimum wage.
But he wouldn't be swanning around the world living a millionaire lifestyle now cashing in all the favours he'd handed out if he'd done that, would he?
Blair and Brown engineered the biggest transfer of wealth from low and middle income workers to the bourgeoisie in living memory.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »More to the point politics has has changed over the past 60 years. Ireland is not going to be united. The Berlin Wall has come down. Russia no longer controls Eastern Europe. The cold war is over. The US is at peace with Cuba. Israel isn't going to cease existing. Corbyn hasn't. Still stuck in a time warp.
Politics is changing again.0
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