Corbynomics: A Dystopia

BobQ

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You're so out of touch with the mood of the nation you may as well be on Mars.

Which parts of the nation are you claiming to be in touch with?

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Sadly the Tories you love so much seem to be pretty keen on ensuring that there isn't an NHS any more so medical attention is becoming quite scarce.

A point nuanced of irony which, naturally, is completely and utterly lost on you.

arguably the NHS resoures would be wasted on you, but I believe we should help everyone who needs help, even if they don't deserve it.
Its an important distinction between the hate filled loonie left and the rest of the decent generaous people of this great kingdom irrespective of which political idealogy they support.

gadgetmind

ruggedtoast wrote: »

the Tories you love so much seem to be pretty keen on ensuring that there isn't an NHS any more

Left wing propaganda with no rooting in reality.

And I say this as someone whose daughter should shortly be a Junior Doctor and who socialises with many GPs, nurses, surgeons, etc.

TrickyTree83

gadgetmind wrote: »

Left wing propaganda with no rooting in reality.

And I say this as someone whose daughter should shortly be a Junior Doctor and who socialises with many GPs, nurses, surgeons, etc.

My sister is a ITU nurse and she would agree, there's no evidence at all.

Why is it seemingly acceptable to scream lies to discredit the right when you're on the left and when the left is called out you're a facist/racist/greedy/selfish/etc... just generally bad person.

I recommend taking a look at r vs K selection theory and how it affects politics. I found it an interesting perspective on the reason why left acts as it does and right acts as it does.

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

With the greatest of all possible respect, you just don't understand what is happening at all. And that is why the zeitgeist of this movement, and the fundamental shift in global political aspirations, is completely passing you by.

For years boomers have complacently derided Gen X and Millennials for not engaging with politics, and now you are about to be engulfed in a tidal wave of activism that will sweep away the very ground on which you stand.

Facile pontiifications on Corbyn's attributes are utterly irrelevant.

Jeremy Corbyn did not choose us and in a sense does not lead us.

We chose Jeremy Corbyn, and there are an awful lot more of us than you think there are.

So, enjoy your "comfortable middle class life" and the leaders who enable it for you. You might want to ask yourself why so many people have been left behind, because every day you wave your affluence in their faces you are poking a tiger in the eye.

There is nothing to understand. The Politics of Envy - it's as old as time - and is nothing new.

Sadly, while you keep blaming everybody else for your lot in life you are allowing yourself to become a victim and your life will never change (in fact it may well get a lot worse).

gadgetmind

Lots of stats here.

http://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/key-statistics-on-the-nhs

Clearly lots of work to do, and demand finds it oh-so-easy to outstrip supply, but supply is increasing year-on-year. However, we can only keep doing this if we have a strong economy and if we balance the books.

setmefree2

westernpromise wrote: »

Corbyn will lose badly come the GE but he won't resign.

Dear God by then he will be 71!

TrickyTree83

setmefree2 wrote: »

There is nothing to understand. The Politics of Envy - it's as old as time - and is nothing new.

Sadly, while you keep blaming everybody else for your lot in life you are allowing yourself to become a victim and your life will never change (in fact it may well get a lot worse).

Interesting you bring up envy.

In that r vs K selection theory it speaks about envy and how the two epigenetic approaches work.

r - envy invokes a response that the haves need to share with the have not's, regardless.

K - envy invokes an aspiration to achieve what they do not have.

Take sports, in the 'r' world everyone is a winner because everyone is equal. In the 'K' world there's an acceptance that some are better than others and those who are better are celebrated/rewarded as such.

It's easier to see at a basic level of Rabbits being an 'r' species and Wolves being a typical 'K' species. Apply the same lens to human society and it's easy to see who is 'r' and who is 'K' and what the consequences are. Apparently they have found physiological differences between people of these two types, particularly in the brain.

TrickyTree83

Expanding on ruggeds assertion that the boomers are to blame for Gen X's ills.

In r vs K selection theory it's actually the abundance of resource the boomers had that epigenetically programmed Gen X and subsequent offspring to think in this way. You're not diametrically opposed to the boomers, you are in fact the same on an epigenetic level. Your amygdala's (part of the brain) are similar and the pre-frontal cortex is similar and you react in a similar way to certain situations, stimuli/threats/competition and the release of dopamine - the reward drug.

The irony is not lost on me.

To skip a lot of the r vs K theory and skip to the nub of the issue, this programming of generation after generation during periods of abundance of resource and liberalism as a consequence will eventually lead to a lack of resource and a swing back to K based epigenetic gene sets where survival of the fittest, celebrating the success of hard work, true free market economics and achievement become cornerstones of society again. The cyclical rise and fall of empire can also be explained by these epigenetic traits being passed on.

It's far too complex to explain in short posts on here but it's fascinating and I've found it to explain much around why I seem completely incapable of sharing some views with the left which to me may seem completely illogical and the vice versa is also true of those who cannot reconcile why I think the way I do. It also says that we're actually genetically pre-disposed to think in a particular way due to inherited epigenetic behaviour/s but that this can swing the other way if our circumstances change and that then your offspring will inherit K or r traits depending on your circumstances at the time. A key example being the study of the Dutch Hunger Winter in 1945 where babies born after had different genetic traits to those of siblings born prior to the famine, and that these babies actually had certain epigenetic traits 'switched on' whilst in the womb.

(http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/features/142195/beyond-dna-epigenetics)

Which may explain why some people who are older Labour voters would switch to conservatism of varying forms (Tory/UKIP) when the national debt is such that resource is not as abundant and their in-group preferences overwhelm previous ideals they held when resource was abundant. It may also go some way in explaining why the younger voter is more predisposed to voting for Corbyn as they've been raised in an environment where resource was abundant and why the core Labour vote they have relied on in years past will not back him.

westernpromise

It may also go some way in explaining why the younger voter is more predisposed to voting for Corbyn as they've been raised in an environment where resource was abundant and why the core Labour vote they have

Although the younger you are the less likely to vote you are. Corbyn is net shedding vote share, because the screechy entitled loons who support him turn off older voters, but will not replace them - because they themselves typically do not vote.