Corbynomics: A Dystopia

seven-day-weekend

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I dunno, I voted Conservative in the last GE, Lib Dem before that. I certainly prefer Owen Smith to Jeremy Corbyn, at least I would consider a Labour vote under Owen Smith.

Same here.

There is no way I would vote for Labour with either of these people as leader. Someone like this is needed:

http://news.sky.com/story/healey-best-prime-minister-we-never-had-10344286

Jason74

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The latest rightist establishment attempt to unseat Corbyn fails miserably.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/28/jeremy-corbyn-fights-off-court-challenge-labour-leadership-ballot

The PLP are fast reaching the point where they have no choice other than to suck it up and start focusing on defeating the Tories, rather than their own membership.

Either that, or they come to the entirely sensible conclusion that the conduct of the membership In continuing to vote for someone as unsuited to the leadership as Corbyn means that the party is past saving. If they do that, then 170 odd MP's can come together to form a new opposition and sideline Corbyn that way.

That's a horrible thing to have to contemplate, but both for the country and their own careers, it's probably the "least worst" option if the only other choice is fallinto line behind Corbyn.

wotsthat

Jason74 wrote: »

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Either that, or they come to the entirely sensible conclusion that the conduct of the membership In continuing to vote for someone as unsuited to the leadership as Corbyn means that the party is past saving. If they do that, then 170 odd MP's can come together to form a new opposition and sideline Corbyn that way.

That's a horrible thing to have to contemplate, but both for the country and their own careers, it's probably the "least worst" option if the only other choice is fallinto line behind Corbyn.

If/ when Corbyn wins then the MP's will probably 'listen to the membership' and pull their necks in. If they've any real principles they'll resign their seats and force by-elections. If you join a club, it turns into something you can't bear and you've done everything you can to force change then it's time to leave.

setmefree2

Jason74 wrote: »

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Either that, or they come to the entirely sensible conclusion that the conduct of the membership In continuing to vote for someone as unsuited to the leadership as Corbyn means that the party is past saving. If they do that, then 170 odd MP's can come together to form a new opposition and sideline Corbyn that way.

That's a horrible thing to have to contemplate, but both for the country and their own careers, it's probably the "least worst" option if the only other choice is fallinto line behind Corbyn.

Labour rebels plan to elect own leader and create ‘alternative’ group if Jeremy Corbyn is re-elected

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/labour-rebels-plan-to-elect-own-leader-and-create-alternative-gr/

setmefree2

Owen Smith was meant to be an alternative to Jeremy Corbyn — but he really isn't

http://uk.businessinsider.com/owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-similar-labour-party-leadership-2016-7

gadgetmind

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/labour-rebels-plan-to-elect-own-leader-and-create-alternative-gr/

I've been saying "Schism pretty much inevitable" all along. The big argument will be who gets to keep all those £25s that have been !!!!ed away voting for the loser.

seven-day-weekend

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/labour-rebels-plan-to-elect-own-leader-and-create-alternative-gr/

Not unexpected, and the best they can do if they really do not want Corbyn. If I was a Labour voter, I would be on their side.

What's the betting the leader will be Hilary Benn?

BobQ

Rugged, welcome back

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Britain neither wants nor needs another Tory Party. Labour does need to admit to what a total disaster Blairitism has been ( so your report is half right).

I agree we do not need another Tory Party, but neither do we need a left wing party that is unelectable.

Blair made mistakes of which Iraq and the uncontrolled expansion of university education and student debt are probably the most significant. But Blair's Government did a lot of good things, investing in delapidated schools and hospitals and introducing the minimum wage, devolution, gay rights etc. It was one of the most re-distributive governments for years. My point is that whatever your gripes with Blair on Iraq, you should not forget the good things they did as well.

mrginge

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/labour-rebels-plan-to-elect-own-leader-and-create-alternative-gr/

As utterly hilarious as this would be I just can't see it.
They've had a go and (most probably) failed.
I think we'll see a few defections and an extended period of non-compliance from the rest. Fingers will be crossed that the polls/electorate can then bail them out of this shambles.

BobQ

Rugged

The report does point out that Tory voters don't actually care about any of this, either because they are rich and it doesn't affect them or they were duped into thinking that they are going to be rich if they vote Tory.

A turn of events I would suggest that even the thickest tax credit claiming nail bar owning Tory voter must be beginning to realise is very unlikely to happen without a change of government.

But you are still missing the fundamental point, it really does not matter if Labour Party membership reaches 5 million, they will still not win an election. People like me, it our comfortable middle class lives with a social conscience (and there are lots of us) will not vote for a party lead by Corbyn or Smith but we might vote for one lead by people like Cooper, Jarvis, Burnham or Benn.

You see Corbyn as some kind of evangelist saving the party. In reality he is the figurehead for the clique that is destroying it or at best marginalising it. While he is building Jerusalem, in the real world a centre left party will emerge from the Liberal Democrats and the Labour Right. They may not win but they will have more chance of doing so than Labour.

This is nothing new, The Militants condemned Labour to the wilderness. They made the same kind of speeches and watched on in opposition while Thatcher did her worst. It was that self indulgence that turned many people away from Labour for good.