Corbynomics: A Dystopia

TrickyTree83

ukcarper wrote: »

And forget about the people who actually elected him.

It is odd that some people appear to think that the Labour party membership holds precedence over the votes of the general public.

How kindly do Corbyn supporters feel the general public will view all of this?

mrginge

ruggedtoast wrote: »

There is no point whatsoever in Smith continuing this farrago. He should abandon his challenge immediately and submit to the democratic will of the membership.

Actually this is probably the most sensible outcome.
At least we'd have a bit of clarity in what the Labour Party stood for.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

There is no point whatsoever in Smith continuing this farrago. He should abandon his challenge immediately and submit to the democratic will of the membership.

Smith at least offers a traditional Labour manifesto. If the members find that unappealing. Then the Labour party as we know it is doomed to extinction.

TheNickster

posh*spice wrote: »

Ok come on? irish Catholics killed plenty.

Yes, of course they did - I was responding to posts that only mentioned IRA terrorism and implied that protestants did not use terrorism as a tactic as well.

TheNickster

CLAPTON wrote: »

at the end of the day one has to make one's own judgement on whether the killings were justified.
you clearly think they were.
Because the people doing the killings agreed to stop i see no reason to honour them.
so you honour them for stop killing
I don't

I do not think terrorism is ever justified whether by the IRA, UDF, Islamic State, Zionist irgun etc. Unfortunately there will always be some, at best misguided, or, at worst, psychotic people who will resort to terrorism when intractable national disputes such as NI or the creation of Israel happen.

However I do think (as I said before) that refusal of the British governments for 25 years or so to try to talk to the IRA was a mistake and possibly delayed the peace process. That is why I cannot condemn some on the left who at least tried to talk to the IRA and understand the fatal hunger strike of Bobby Sands. Personally I would not have used the word 'honour' but I don't see why it is still so contentious after twenty years. especially as he has apologised. It is possible that his words did help establish the peace process - is that not a price worth paying even it has upset some people?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/606125/John-McDonnell-IRA-Thatcher-assassination-appalling-joke-Question-Time

As I said you are indulging in political ****stirring.

CLAPTON

TheNickster wrote: »

I do not think terrorism is ever justified whether by the IRA, UDF, Islamic State, Zionist irgun etc. Unfortunately there will always be some, at best misguided, or, at worst, psychotic people who will resort to terrorism when intractable national disputes such as NI or the creation of Israel happen.

However I do think (as I said before) that refusal of the British governments for 25 years or so to try to talk to the IRA was a mistake and possibly delayed the peace process. That is why I cannot condemn some on the left who at least tried to talk to the IRA and understand the fatal hunger strike of Bobby Sands. Personally I would not have used the word 'honour' but I don't see why it is still so contentious after twenty years. especially as he has apologised. It is possible that his words did help establish the peace process - is that not a price worth paying even it has upset some people?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/606125/John-McDonnell-IRA-Thatcher-assassination-appalling-joke-Question-Time

As I said you are indulging in political ****stirring.

his apology was

"If I gave offence, and I clearly have, from the bottom of my heart I apologise

so an apology for offence caused?

he has another joke

what do you call 4 dead tories ?

answer 'a start'

f*** funny isn't it



so an apology for offence caused?

TheNickster

CLAPTON wrote: »

he has another joke

what do you call 4 dead tories ?

answer 'a start'

f*** funny isn't it



so an apology for offence caused?

for heavens sake - half the population tell 'sick' jokes like that.

seven-day-weekend

How would you feel if Nigel Farage had made that remarks about immigrants?

McDonnell has no right, in his position, to come out with such hateful stuff.

(And why isn't it a hate crime, which it would be if Farage had sasid it\).

CLAPTON

TheNickster wrote: »

I do not think terrorism is ever justified whether by the IRA, UDF, Islamic State, Zionist irgun etc. Unfortunately there will always be some, at best misguided, or, at worst, psychotic people who will resort to terrorism when intractable national disputes such as NI or the creation of Israel happen.

However I do think (as I said before) that refusal of the British governments for 25 years or so to try to talk to the IRA was a mistake and possibly delayed the peace process. That is why I cannot condemn some on the left who at least tried to talk to the IRA and understand the fatal hunger strike of Bobby Sands. Personally I would not have used the word 'honour' but I don't see why it is still so contentious after twenty years. especially as he has apologised. It is possible that his words did help establish the peace process - is that not a price worth paying even it has upset some people?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/606125/John-McDonnell-IRA-Thatcher-assassination-appalling-joke-Question-Time

As I said you are indulging in political ****stirring.

although terrorism is never justified, you would reward it by holding talks immediately

TrickyTree83

TheNickster wrote: »

I do not think terrorism is ever justified whether by the IRA, UDF, Islamic State, Zionist irgun etc. Unfortunately there will always be some, at best misguided, or, at worst, psychotic people who will resort to terrorism when intractable national disputes such as NI or the creation of Israel happen.

Neanderthals who are basically saying "I'm going to kill you and yours until I get what I want.".

Killing policemen, prison officers, civilians also using civilians as human shields. Setting booby traps that blow limbs off RMP investigating a crime scene. Torturing people, kidnapping, ambushing minivans full of people going to/from work.

Anyone on here who sympathises with the IRA can do one as far as I'm concerned.