Corbynomics: A Dystopia

posh*spice

Arklight wrote: »

If the PLP think life is hard for them now they have not even begun to contemplate what will happen if Corbyn is ousted and replaced with a warmongering neoliberal corporate shill that 75℅ of members do not want.

Ok I hate Corbyn but Owen Smith is a divvy

Labour has no talent?

posh*spice

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The IRA used a strategy of attacking an unarmed civilian population in order to frighten them into adopting a course of action favourable to the IRA. In this case pressuring the British government into withdrawing from NI.

So they were terrorists, no doubt about that.

Unfortunately they could, fairly legitimately, claim that the British government had been targeting the RC civilian population in Ireland for quite a long time before this for the same reason.

The only thing the whole sorry episode teaches us is that awful behaviour leads to more awful behaviour.

If you think the entire Troubles in Northern Ireland began on January 31st 1972, and nothing came before that, as Clapton does, you will be getting a very narrow view of history.

Someone on the British side had to acknowledge that the IRA may have had a grievance, even if their methods were wrong. The fact that Thatcher /Blair et al outsourced this to other people to do, didn't make their involvement any less significant, though it does point to their hypocrisy.

I am relatively ambivalent about McDonnell. He is on record saying that he regrets the "bombs and bullets" speech, but he would have said anything at all to keep the IRA in talks at a point when they were about to walk away, and if that speech saved one life he would say it again.

Perhaps if Thatcher had begun her tenure by explaining that Britain had no business ever being in Ireland, and that a lot of UK involvement there amounted to war crimes against an occupied nation who would be receiving reparations in short order, then the whole thing may have been resolved much sooner.

But that wouldn't have gone down very well in The Sun, The Telegraph and Daily Mail.

You know what? Do one rugged toast. You sad apologist for terrorists.

posh*spice

ruggedtoast wrote: »

They expect me to be cowed and meek. Like Winston at the end of 1984.

They can think again.

You're so sad. Nearly as sad as those 19 year olds who killed an 86 year old preist and their old parisioners are. Look at me - i'm so tough. Not.

posh*spice

TheNickster wrote: »

Since you mentioned the protestants.

"The (protestant) UDA/UFF was responsible for more than 400 deaths. The vast majority of its victims were Irish Catholic civilians killed at random, in what the group called retaliation for IRA actions or attacks on Protestants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Defence_Association

Terrorists or murdering 'freedom fighters'?

Ok come on? irish Catholics killed plenty.

TrickyTree83

posh*spice wrote: »

You know what? Do one rugged toast. You sad apologist for terrorists.

rugged sounds genuinely clueless about the troubles.

My old man served there as SSgt in the RMP, told me about the very best the IRA had to offer. Without doubt they were terrorists, there was nothing legitimate or brave about slaughter, dismemberment, torture, etc... whilst hiding amongst civilians.

Sounds familiar to a modern day organisation we're all aware of doesn't it.

setmefree2

Latest Polling figures

So to the current polling position. Today’s ICM poll has topline figures of CON 43%(+4), LAB 27%(-2), LDEM 8%(-1), UKIP 13(-1) (tabs are here). It follows on from an ICM poll last week showing the Conservatives ten points ahead, a YouGov poll giving the Conservtives an eleven point lead and an Opinium poll giving them a more modest six point lead. All four polls had Labour around or just below 30% and the Conservatives nearer 40%, UKIP down a little from the levels of support they’d been showing before the referendum.

YouGov have fresh voting intention figures that also show a strong lead for the Conservatives, albeit, not quite as big as ICM’s. Their topline figures are CON 40%, LAB 28%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 4%. Tabs are he

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

ruggedtoast

The latest rightist establishment attempt to unseat Corbyn fails miserably.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/28/jeremy-corbyn-fights-off-court-challenge-labour-leadership-ballot

The PLP are fast reaching the point where they have no choice other than to suck it up and start focusing on defeating the Tories, rather than their own membership.

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ruggedtoast wrote: »

The latest rightist establishment attempt to unseat Corbyn fails miserably.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/28/jeremy-corbyn-fights-off-court-challenge-labour-leadership-ballot

The PLP are fast reaching the point where they have no choice other than to suck it up and start focusing on defeating the Tories, rather than their own membership.

I'm quite sure the left wing think that's a great result.

So do all the other parties.

WR

ruggedtoast

There is no point whatsoever in Smith continuing this farrago. He should abandon his challenge immediately and submit to the democratic will of the membership.

ukcarper

ruggedtoast wrote: »

There is no point whatsoever in Smith continuing this farrago. He should abandon his challenge immediately and submit to the democratic will of the membership.

And forget about the people who actually elected him.