Corbynomics: A Dystopia

ukcarper

I find Clapton's post a bit tedious but I can't see how anybody can condone terrorism.

DiggerUK

ukcarper wrote: »

I find Clapton's post a bit tedious but I can't see how anybody can condone terrorism.

To support the just demands of nationalists and republicans was correct. I have no regrets.
That is not support for terrorism, but condemnation of the actions of the british government.
But given what the states response was ignoring just complaints, and then sending paratroopers in to the Bogside to massacre innocent civilians in their own neighbourhood ........please, what the hell did you expect to happen..._

mrginge

DiggerUK wrote: »

They were freedom fighters. After Bloody Sunday it was obvious to everyone and their dog, that the powers that be had no intention of a peaceful dialogue.

The course of that war, along with all other wars, led to one tragedy after another. And the simple truth is that without such a campaign the british state would not have negotiated a settlement.
A simple and sad truth..._

I wasn't aware that we had declared war on anyone.

Does your belief that one must kill innocent people in order to achieve political concessions also extend to the people of Paris, Brussels and Nice?

CLAPTON

DiggerUK wrote: »

To support the just demands of nationalists and republicans was correct. I have no regrets.
That is not support for terrorism, but condemnation of the actions of the british government.
But given what the states response was ignoring just complaints, and then sending paratroopers in to the Bogside to massacre innocent civilians in their own neighbourhood ........please, what the hell did you expect to happen..._

I support the unification of Ireland when/if the people of NI vote for it in a fair democratic election.
That has nothing to do with killing children, pregnant women and people enjoying a quiet pint in a pub (and many others).

DiggerUK

mrginge wrote: »

I wasn't aware that we had declared war on anyone.......

But a war on terror was. The innocents were 14 civilians in The Bogside. People who's deaths were subsequently declared as "unjustifiable" The same as those killed by loonies and supporters of IS death cults.

My conclusion was that 14 innocents were killed by the paratroopers.
A state killing its own people........now when have I heard that condemned..._

CLAPTON

DiggerUK wrote: »

But a war on terror was. The innocents were 14 civilians in The Bogside. People who's deaths were subsequently declared as "unjustifiable" The same as those killed by loonies and supporters of IS death cults.

My conclusion was that 14 innocents were killed by the paratroopers.
A state killing its own people........now when have I heard that condemned..._

So you consider the unjustified deaths of the people of the Bogside, justifies the further killing of children, women and men unconnected with the partroopers?

DiggerUK

CLAPTON wrote: »

..............That has nothign to do with killing children, pregnant women and people enjoying a quiet pint in a pub (and many others).

When have anybody in the Corbyn camp supported such deaths. Their criticism, like mine, was to condemn the british government. Not condone the IRA's chosen course of action.

Understanding does not translate into unconditional support for IRA activities. But peace has happened. If the british government had not chosen the course of action they did, and listened to the justifiable complaints of the nationalist and republican communities, then none of the carnage that followed would have happened.

Corbyn was right to argue for rapprochement..._

Filo25

DiggerUK wrote: »

They were freedom fighters. After Bloody Sunday it was obvious to everyone and their dog, that the powers that be had no intention of a peaceful dialogue.

The course of that war, along with all other wars, led to one tragedy after another. And the simple truth is that without such a campaign the british state would not have negotiated a settlement.
A simple and sad truth..._

Personally I think we would have had a fair settlement in Northern Ireland much earlier if a sustained strong campaign of peaceful protest had been the response rather than a campaign of terrorism, and we'd also have a lot of people alive today who sadly aren't as a result of the Troubles, I suppose I'm old fashioned enough to think that matters.

During the troubles by my recollection the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell had no interest in the kind of negotiated settlement we eventually had, they wanted full British capitulation and a united Ireland, not sure how that makes them peacemakers.

Mind you judging by the nonsense I see on Facebook all the time, Corbyn and his followers have no problem claiming credit for things he had very little involvement in.

DiggerUK

Filo25 wrote: »

Personally I think we would have had a fair settlement in Northern Ireland much earlier if a sustained strong campaign of peaceful protest had been the response rather than a campaign of terrorism, and we'd also have a lot of people alive today who sadly aren't as a result of the Troubles, I suppose I'm old fashioned enough to think that matters........

Possibly, but that didn't happen. After the shooting of the 26(?) with 14 dead. The path forward was one from which there was no turning back.....do you honestly believe that Corbyn and co. would have let that happen. No, I don't either, peace would have been made.
At the moment it seems that there is a new momentum towards a United Ireland, with a foothold in the Unionist/Loyalist communities post referendum.......who knows..._

CLAPTON

DiggerUK wrote: »

When have anybody in the Corbyn camp supported such deaths. Their criticism, like mine, was to condemn the british government. Not condone the IRA's chosen course of action.

Understanding does not translate into unconditional support for IRA activities. But peace has happened. If the british government had not chosen the course of action they did, and listened to the justifiable complaints of the nationalist and republican communities, then none of the carnage that followed would have happened.

Corbyn was right to argue for rapprochement..._

Do you think the unjustified killings of the people of the Bogside, justified the killing other innocents?

Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott have indeed condemned the para killings but never condemned the IRA killers.

However to me McDonnell condoned the IRA killings by

by DcDonnell

The deaths of innocent civilians in IRA attacks is a real tragedy, but it was as a result of British occupation in Ireland.

“Because of the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands we now have a peace process.”

clearly he didn't blame the IRA for the killings for which they were clearly responsible : no accidental collateral damage here but deliberate planned, calculated murder.


and

It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”

is unambiguous.