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Corbynomics: A Dystopia
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Did anybody damn Thatcher, Major, and Blair for negotiating a peace settlement with the IRA.
There is a huge difference between holding your nose and doing deals with terrorists because it's your job and heaping praise on them simply because you condone terrorism. Surely this isn't too hard to grasp?I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
The whole mess was as a result of british domination in the North of Ireland. There was no peaceful road open to nationalists and republicans. The way forward was established from when the paratroopers went in. Tragic but true.Do you think the unjustified killings of the people of the Bogside, justified the killing other innocents? ........
If the democratic and peaceful road is blown up, what is the only option. If I was an Irish nationalist or republican, I suspect I would have made the choice to support IRA/INLA or Sinn Fein/ Irish Republican Socialist Party.......or kowtow..._0 -
Who would have had to "hold their nose" and do a deal with peaceful protestors acting peacefully. What is too hard to grasp about that..._gadgetmind wrote: »There is a huge difference between holding your nose and doing deals with terrorists because it's your job and heaping praise on them simply because you condone terrorism. Surely this isn't too hard to grasp?0 -
The whole mess was as a result of british domination in the North of Ireland. There was no peaceful road open to nationalists and republicans. The way forward was established from when the paratroopers went in. Tragic but true.
If the democratic and peaceful road is blown up, what is the only option. If I was an Irish nationalist or republican, I suspect I would have made the choice to support IRA/INLA or Sinn Fein/ Irish Republican Socialist Party.......or kowtow..._
My question was, were the unjustified deaths of the people of the Bogside, a justification for the deaths of other innocent people?
There was a democratic proces in NI and the voting rights/ registration were improved by government action.
If you had been in NI you would have had the option of voting for Sein Fein or peaceful nationalist.0 -
They were not justification. They were the cause of the deaths that followed. War can only be avoided by those who want to avoid it. Corbyn and co., along with myself, choose that road.My question was, were the unjustified deaths of the people of the Bogside, a justification for the deaths of other innocent people? There was a democratic proces in NI and the voting rights/ registration were improved by government action..........
A 'democratic process'.......like the one in Derry that had a loyalist/unionist minority of 1/3 of the population electing 2/3 of the council. Do you honestly believe Corbyn and co. would have tolerated that. Who with any shred of self respect would..._0 -
They were not justification. They were the cause of the deaths that followed. War can only be avoided by those who want to avoid it. Corbyn and co., along with myself, choose that road.
A 'democratic process'.......like the one in Derry that had a loyalist/unionist minority of 1/3 of the population electing 2/3 of the council. Do you honestly believe Corbyn and co. would have tolerated that. Who with any shred of self respect would..._
And Corbyn's views on the Middle East conflicts?0 -
They were not justification. They were the cause of the deaths that followed. War can only be avoided by those who want to avoid it. Corbyn and co., along with myself, choose that road.
A 'democratic process'.......like the one in Derry that had a loyalist/unionist minority of 1/3 of the population electing 2/3 of the council. Do you honestly believe Corbyn and co. would have tolerated that. Who with any shred of self respect would..._
No, the subsequent events were NOT inevitable : the subsequent deaths were NOT caused by the paras but by the thoughtful, deliberate calculated murders by the IRA.
I fully agree that there was a huge democratic deficit in NI and discrimination of the catholic in employment.
There was the opportunity for peaceful change. Anyone with self respect would lobby and campaign for peaceful change rather than murdering people.0 -
When have anybody in the Corbyn camp supported such deaths. Their criticism, like mine, was to condemn the british government. Not condone the IRA's chosen course of action.
Understanding does not translate into unconditional support for IRA activities. But peace has happened. If the british government had not chosen the course of action they did, and listened to the justifiable complaints of the nationalist and republican communities, then none of the carnage that followed would have happened.
Corbyn was right to argue for rapprochement..._
Peace only happened because after 9/11 the American Irish no longer fundedd the IRA. They no longer were gun runners. They no longer provided explosives. If it wasn't for 9/11 the Irish would still be blowing us up.
Peace happened because 9/11 shone a light on what the IRA really were.Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you.0 -
Nobody from the nationalist/republican community believed there was any peaceful road after Bloody Sunday. Though the SDLP tried.
They viewed the British state as a foreign power with an army of occupation. Armed struggle was seen as the only option, and they prevailed.
Sometimes the only deal on the table is a 8hit deal..._0 -
Nobody from the nationalist/republican community believed there was any peaceful road after Bloody Sunday. Though the SDLP tried.
They viewed the British state as a foreign power with an army of occupation. Armed struggle was seen as the only option, and they prevailed.
Sometimes the only deal on the table is a 8hit deal..._
As a descendant of a mixed irish NI marriage - my father was baptised RC my mother CofI. I can honestly say religion is all a pile of shot and you want to get over yourself.
Religion is a big crock of !!!! - whether it is Islam or Christianty. Choose reality guys. Which is actually that there is no evidence of a God.Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you.0
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