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Corbynomics: A Dystopia
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Nobody from the nationalist/republican community believed there was any peaceful road after Bloody Sunday. Though the SDLP tried.
They viewed the British state as a foreign power with an army of occupation. Armed struggle was seen as the only option, and they prevailed.
Sometimes the only deal on the table is a 8hit deal..._
Ok you support the murders of innocents : at least you have the honesty to say so, unlike those vile hypocrites like Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.0 -
Ok you support the murders of innocents : at least you have the honesty to say so, unlike those vile hypocrites like Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.
Except that changed after 9/11 when it was no longer acceptable - i hope gerry adams and martin mcguiness feel sick every time they witness a terror attack by IS - because it will make them realise that they are no better. Scum.Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you.0 -
posh*spice wrote: »Except that changed after 9/11 when it was no longer acceptable - i hope gerry adams and martin mcguiness feel sick every time they witness a terror attack by IS - because it will make them realise that they are no better. Scum.
sadly No, like digger, they think that murder and killing is acceptable, although I have no idea whether they support all terrorists or just Irish ones0 -
What has this got to do with anything? None of Corbyn's policies are about the IRA.
Wealth inequality, unearned privilege, the richest 1%'s evasion of 99% of the taxes they should pay.
That is why Corbyn is riding high. If you lot want to think if an "antidote" to him, maybe you should address those issues rather than agitating over the end of the embarrassment of the British Empire and its restive colonial scrag ends.
All you are doing is pointing out that an avowed socialist isn't very keen on the British establishment's centuries old predilection to invade other countries.
Who knew?0 -
What has this got to do with anything? None of Corbyn's policies are about the IRA.
Wealth inequality, unearned privilege, the richest 1%'s evasion of 99% of the taxes they should pay.
That is why Corbyn is riding high. If you lot want to think if an "antidote" to him, maybe you should address those issues rather than agitating over the end of the embarrassment of the British Empire and its restive colonial scrag ends.
All you are doing is pointing out that an avowed socialist isn't very keen on the British establishment's centuries old predilection to invade other countries.
Who knew?
The character and beliefs of the (potentially) ruling clique is a matter of valid discussion and concern.
Their belief that it is acceptable to murder and kill innocent people for whatever reasons, is an important issue.
Your ludicrous narrative about the former empire doesn't justify further murder and killing:
you walk in their shoes.0 -
Nobody from the nationalist/republican community believed there was any peaceful road after Bloody Sunday. Though the SDLP tried.
They viewed the British state as a foreign power with an army of occupation. Armed struggle was seen as the only option, and they prevailed.
Sometimes the only deal on the table is a 8hit deal..._
Only they didn't prevail, unless we now have a United Ireland and I didn't notice.
What they won was something that could have been won a lot quicker by peaceful protest, you can't really ignore the clearly legitimate concerns of nearly half of the population of an area forever, if they continue to put them forward in a forceful but legitimate way.
Instead an armed conflict lead to an easy negotiating position for the UK government of "We don't negotiate with terrorists" for decades.
You could view the Anglo-Irish agreement under Thatcher as being one of the first small steps towards peaceful coexistance in Ireland (the unionist community largely hated it as it was perceived to give Ireland more say on Northern Irish matters).
Corbyn on the other hand was strongly opposed to it as he perceived it as strengthening the union, and he saw a United Ireland as being the only solution to the problem, Corbyn's view on the situation on Northern Ireland has always appeared to mirror whatever Sinn Fein said in all honesty.0 -
What has this got to do with anything? None of Corbyn's policies are about the IRA.
Wealth inequality, unearned privilege, the richest 1%'s evasion of 99% of the taxes they should pay.
That is why Corbyn is riding high. If you lot want to think if an "antidote" to him, maybe you should address those issues rather than agitating over the end of the embarrassment of the British Empire and its restive colonial scrag ends.
All you are doing is pointing out that an avowed socialist isn't very keen on the British establishment's centuries old predilection to invade other countries.
Who knew?
Does he actually have any workable fully costed policies at this stage, his Economic advisers basically walked out, as they found it impossible to get any leadership from him or even to get him to engage with the subject, anti-austerity isn't a policy its a protest, something Corbyn has built his whole career on.
What he hasn't built a career on is offering competent leadership, credible policy alternatives and persuading those who are outside his bubble.
I don't doubt he will win the leadership of the Labour party for a second time round, he seems to inspire the devotion more akin to a Cult leader from his devotees, the problem and this isn't a new one for those on the far left of British politics is that his followers confuse that enthusiasm with popular support amongst Labour voters and the kind of voters Labour needs to win to form a government, when all the evidence suggest (unsurprisingly) that the opposite is the case.
You can't be a party with a hugely unpopular leader and no Economic credibility and get anywhere near government in the UK.0 -
The character and beliefs of the (potentially) ruling clique is a matter of valid discussion and concern.
Their belief that it is acceptable to murder and kill innocent people for whatever reasons, is an important issue.
Your ludicrous narrative about the former empire doesn't justify further murder and killing:
you walk in their shoes.
So anyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist?
How would you feel if 14 Brits had been shot dead in a protest in Surrey, by Irish soldiers, after several hundred years of the Irish government having subjected England to a cruel and oppressive occupation? Or do the innocent people who were murdered and killed in their hundreds of thousands by British Imperialism not count in some way?
Or how would you take it if your grandfather had died in a Kenyan concentration camp in Hertfordshire, such as Obama's grandfather did at the hands of the British. Or been murdered running terrified and unarmed from Indian troops in Somerset, like the hundreds of people in the Amritsar Massacre did from British bullets.
Nothing happens in a vacuum, everything that happens had something else happening before it, and the bombs have, thank God, stopped. I am grateful to everyone involved in the peace process who saw sense on both sides. But the British government does not have a good record of paying much attention to peaceful protests by occupied peoples and if you want to blame someone for the existence of the IRA you might want to start by looking a bit closer to home.0 -
Does he actually have any workable fully costed policies at this stage, his Economic advisers basically walked out, as they found it impossible to get any leadership from him or even to get him to engage with the subject, anti-austerity isn't a policy its a protest, something Corbyn has built his whole career on.
What he hasn't built a career on is offering competent leadership, credible policy alternatives and persuading those who are outside his bubble.
I don't doubt he will win the leadership of the Labour party for a second time round, he seems to inspire the devotion more akin to a Cult leader from his devotees, the problem and this isn't a new one for those on the far left of British politics is that his followers confuse that enthusiasm with popular support amongst Labour voters and the kind of voters Labour needs to win to form a government, when all the evidence suggest (unsurprisingly) that the opposite is the case.
You can't be a party with a hugely unpopular leader and no Economic credibility and get anywhere near government in the UK.
I would say "People's QE" was quite clearly elucidated. The mainstream media started laying into with a host of eminent economic luminaries (all the people who have failed to pre-empt every economic crisis Britain has endured since Suez), and then realised that it was having a counter effect of making ordinary people like it (because ordinary people still really don't understand why we have to keep giving billions of pounds of state money to private investors to enrich themselves, rather than spending it on national projects)
So the MSM promptly shut up about it and went back to the usual anti Corbyn propaganda, the usual terrible slurs about him being a vegetarian who is in the IRA and hates women and that his cat is secretly named Chairman Mao.0 -
Does he actually have any workable fully costed policies at this stage, his Economic advisers basically walked out, as they found it impossible to get any leadership from him or even to get him to engage with the subject, anti-austerity isn't a policy its a protest, something Corbyn has built his whole career on.
And now it appears that the May government is going to be doing some fiscal loosening - so what does he have left?0
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