Corbynomics: A Dystopia

CLAPTON

Arklight wrote: »

So anyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist?

How would you feel if 14 Brits had been shot dead in a protest in Surrey, by Irish soldiers, after several hundred years of the Irish government having subjected England to a cruel and oppressive occupation? Or do the innocent people who were murdered and killed in their hundreds of thousands by British Imperialism not count in some way?

Or how would you take it if your grandfather had died in a Kenyan concentration camp in Hertfordshire, such as Obama's grandfather did at the hands of the British. Or been murdered running terrified and unarmed from Indian troops in Somerset, like the hundreds of people in the Amritsar Massacre did from British bullets.

Nothing happens in a vacuum, everything that happens had something else happening before it, and the bombs have, thank God, stopped. I am grateful to everyone involved in the peace process who saw sense on both sides. But the British government does not have a good record of paying much attention to peaceful protests by occupied peoples and if you want to blame someone for the existence of the IRA you might want to start by looking a bit closer to home.

The deaths on bloody Sunday were inexcusable.
I, indeed, do blame the UK government for the state of NI and much should have been done much earlier.

However, the issue is whether those deaths by the paras, justify further murders of innocent people.
You clearly think they do and bizzarely think our colonial past somehow justifies further killing of innocents.

Corbyn and his clique were never interested in peace but only a united socialist (communistic) republic : they hated the Eire government just as much as the UK one.
There is no record of Corbyn ever reaching out to all the people of NI but only the socialist in the IRA.

You mention the Amritsar Massacre : Lets remind ourselves that the IRA mostly killed unarmed people and that they killed more people than died at Amritsar but you fail to talk about the IRA massacres.

The sins of the past do not justify more killing today : otherwise we have a continuing cycle of violence.

You aren't looking for peace and reconciliation but an unending socialist struggle and you choose to walk in the footsteps of the killers.

setmefree2

Arklight wrote: »

So anyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist?

How would you feel if 14 Brits had been shot dead in a protest in Surrey, by Irish soldiers, after several hundred years of the Irish government having subjected England to a cruel and oppressive occupation? Or do the innocent people who were murdered and killed in their hundreds of thousands by British Imperialism not count in some way?

Plenty of Protestants murdered in NI. What about the 200,000 protestants (including woman, children and babies) massacred by RCs in 1641 just for starters? Plenty of blood on the hands of catholics in Ireland.

setmefree2

Arklight wrote: »

Or been murdered running terrified and unarmed from Indian troops in Somerset, like the hundreds of people in the Amritsar Massacre did from British bullets.

Or you can mention all of the Indian Christians saved from being massacred by Tipu at the Battle of Seringpatam.

The Captivity of Mangalorean Catholics at Seringapatam (1784–1799) was a 15-year imprisonment of Mangalorean Catholics and other Christians at Seringapatam in the Indian region of Canara by Tipu Sultan, the de facto ruler of the Kingdom of Mysore.Estimates of the number of captives range from 30,000 to 80,000 but the generally accepted figure is 60,000, as stated by Tipu in the Sultan-ul-Tawarikh

Their captivity led to a near disintegration of the community and ended only when Tipu was killed by the British at the Battle of Seringapatam on 4 May 1799, during the Fourth Anglo-Mysore War. Of the 60,000–80,000 Christians taken captive, only 15,000–20,000 both made it out alive and retained their original faith. The episode had a deep impact on the Literature of Mangalorean Catholics.The bi-centennial anniversary of the Christians' release from captivity was celebrated across the region on 4 May 1999.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captivity_of_Mangalorean_Catholics_at_Seringapatam

Arklight

CLAPTON wrote: »

The deaths on bloody Sunday were inexcusable.
I, indeed, do blame the UK government for the state of NI and much should have been done much earlier.

However, the issue is whether those deaths by the paras, justify further murders of innocent people.
You clearly think they do and bizzarely think our colonial past somehow justifies further killing of innocents.

Corbyn and his clique were never interested in peace but only a united socialist (communistic) republic : they hated the Eire government just as much as the UK one.
There is no record of Corbyn ever reaching out to all the people of NI but only the socialist in the IRA.

You mention the Amritsar Massacre : Lets remind ourselves that the IRA mostly killed unarmed people and that they killed more people than died at Amritsar but you fail to talk about the IRA massacres.

The sins of the past do not justify more killing today : otherwise we have a continuing cycle of violence.

You aren't looking for peace and reconciliation but an unending socialist struggle and you choose to walk in the footsteps of the killers.

No I don't "clearly think they do" and shame on you for attempting to redact everyone who doesn't agree with you into being a terrorist sympathiser.

Ironically its people like you and your blinkered narrow opinions that are the cause of reason and intelligence failing to be able to resolve problems.

I think we should all be grateful that the NI Peace Process was made up of people rather more far sighted and willing to compromise or we would all still be lobbing bullets and bombs at one another. Which I suspect would suit you down to the ground.

Alan_Brown

Boudica's forces massacred between 70 and 80 thousand Romans and Britons in 60 or 61 AD.

CLAPTON

Arklight wrote: »

No I don't "clearly think they do" and shame on you for attempting to redact everyone who doesn't agree with you into being a terrorist sympathiser.

Ironically its people like you and your blinkered narrow opinions that are the cause of reason and intelligence failing to be able to resolve problems.

I think we should all be grateful that the NI Peace Process was made up of people rather more far sighted and willing to compromise or we would all still be lobbing bullets and bombs at one another. Which I suspect would suit you down to the ground.

We both agree then, that is was a good thing that Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot had no influence whatsoever on the peace process.
Their refusal to condemn the IRA killers is a disgrace and it to the shame of the labour party that they are their (hopefully temporary) leaders.

The only opinion I have offered here, is that the murders by the paras did not justify further murders of unarmed innocent people.
If you called that a blinkered and narrow view then that says a lot about you.

Filo25

Arklight wrote: »

I would say "People's QE" was quite clearly elucidated. The mainstream media started laying into with a host of eminent economic luminaries (all the people who have failed to pre-empt every economic crisis Britain has endured since Suez), and then realised that it was having a counter effect of making ordinary people like it (because ordinary people still really don't understand why we have to keep giving billions of pounds of state money to private investors to enrich themselves, rather than spending it on national projects)

So the MSM promptly shut up about it and went back to the usual anti Corbyn propaganda, the usual terrible slurs about him being a vegetarian who is in the IRA and hates women and that his cat is secretly named Chairman Mao.

Richard Murphy is the guy credited with a lot of the work on people's QE.

He posted the comment below as a response to questions on his blog.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/22/what-happens-to-labour-now/

I agree that the public are fed up with the politics of an elite – with which Labour has been far too associated in the past and of which I have been a ready critic, and still will be

But to presume that the public have bought into Corbyn or a post-capitalist agenda (which no one can explain) is a massive leap from that, or the increase in membership (some of which is undoubtedly opposed to Corbyn)

I do think people want accountability

They do want justice

They clearly want a better sharing of the cake

And that needs vastly better policies – which I am apparently able to write

I also think those policies are deliverable but first I see no sign, as I have explained, that team Ciorbyn are willing or able to deliver them and no confidence on the part of the public that he can or will do so

Of course I could be wrong but to suggest I rely on the MSM to form my opinion is a little odd when I was more than anyone else bar Jeremy himself probably responsible for delivering his message last summer

What I do know is that Jeremy et al are hopeless managers at almost any level. I genuinely wish it was otherwise . I am deeply disappointed by what has happened

But I remain committed to the ideas and do want a government committed to a mixed economy and much more than nationalisation of the natural monopolies

That is why I will tell you that you’re making a mistake backing Corbyn because he will never deliver it

Simon

That is not true: like it or not Ed Miliband ran an opposition

I criticised a lot of what he did – but also helped when appropriate

And he did and could recruit a full team of shadow ministers

JC cannot get near a team of half the size required

Please wake up

Or like others stop wasting my time

I want real opposition in this country – not a kindergarten variety, at best – and I’m not now sure JC could even do that

Have you even seen how pathetic his launch statement for re-election is? It’s worse than student politics standard

Richard

wintersunshine

Alan_Brown wrote: »

Boudica's forces massacred between 70 and 80 thousand Romans and Britons in 60 or 61 AD.

A Celtic heroine.

I'm guessing the Britons were killed for being collaborators?

Alan_Brown

wintersunshine wrote: »

A Celtic heroine.

I'm guessing the Britons were killed for being collaborators?

Yes, and I guess because they were not part of the same tribe. I've looked at the historical documents and I can't find any Corbyn involvement in the massacre. I also couldn't find any Corbyn involvement in the battle of Seringpatam.

I'll keep looking, I'm sure that I'll find something. Corbyn has flat refused to condemn these massacres and so he must have as much blood on his hands as the perpetrators.

DiggerUK

Alan_Brown wrote: »

............... Corbyn has flat refused to condemn these massacres and so he must have as much blood on his hands as the perpetrators.

The Jimmy Saville investigation failed to question Corbyn about the deaths of the Princes in the Tower either. Commie cop infiltrators from Momentum defending the guru..._

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36886157