Corbynomics: A Dystopia

antrobus

Mistermeaner wrote: »

he's not shaken up anything he's a tool

I disagree. He has shaken up the Labour Party. It's in a state of chaos. Which is not, I would submit, a good thing if you happen to be a supporter of the Labour Party

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

I disagree. He has shaken up the Labour Party. It's in a state of chaos. Which is not, I would submit, a good thing if you happen to be a supporter of the Labour Party

In the short term it's not good for anyone. Longer term I guess we get to see who replaces Labour as HMLO.

Moby

antrobus wrote: »

Yes, but all the hate is coming from Corbyn's supporters, and all the derision is coming from Corbyn's detractors. Doesn't that tell you something?

He certainly is making the news though and I'm talking about the hate directed at him from the establishment. I think Momentum's influence has been a tad exaggerated as well?.....but they'll do nicely for those who see a left wing conspiracy around every corner?;)

gadgetmind

Moby wrote: »

Ever considered that sometimes people don't get recognised for the value they bring and due to their circs. can't just walk away and go somewhere else?

Ever considered that they aren't actually bringing the value they think they are? It's called the Dunning–Kruger effect.

Those who are reasonably smart and actually do have valuable skills, understand what they can and can't do, and what they know and what they don't know. They are highly employable and employers treat them well as otherwise they simple go elsewhere.

To me you seem pre-occupied by the seventies sterotype of the unions

They've been partially declawed but have they really changed their political position?

This work didn't start in the centre.....it started in the unions!

Those on the extreme left take action against those on the extreme right. Am I supposed to be surprised?

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

He certainly is making the news though and I'm talking about the hate directed at him from the establishment. I think Momentum's influence has been a tad exaggerated as well?.....but they'll do nicely for those who see a left wing conspiracy around every corner?;)

I detect no hate from the 'establishment' (whatever that is) directed at Corbyn. Got any examples?

On the other hand, it's not that difficult to find examples of hatred from Corbyn supporters. There is even an ongoing police investigation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34993447

gadgetmind

I wonder if Corbyn will be putting in a bid?

Giant Mao statue 'removed' from Henan village

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-35262798

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

He certainly is making the news though and I'm talking about the hate directed at him from the establishment. I think Momentum's influence has been a tad exaggerated as well?.....but they'll do nicely for those who see a left wing conspiracy around every corner?;)

what hate is that and from whom?

there are people pointing out he and his mates McDonnel and Abbott are long term IRA supporters and it has been noted they all agree that Mao killing 50 million of his own citizens is a OK for the resultant socialist utopia, but these facts aren't 'hate'.

Moby

antrobus wrote: »

I detect no hate from the 'establishment' (whatever that is) directed at Corbyn. Got any examples?

On the other hand, it's not that difficult to find examples of hatred from Corbyn supporters. There is even an ongoing police investigation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34993447

I suppose I'd see the Telegraph and it's views as pretty much representative of a lot of it.....did you see the diagram the Sun published regarding the extent of his bow at the Cenotaph?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I suppose I'd see the Telegraph and it's views as pretty much representative of a lot of it.....did you see the diagram the Sun published regarding the extent of his bow at the Cenotaph?

only hatred I seen recently is a poster referring to 'tory scum' .. not very nice

Moby

gadgetmind wrote: »

Ever considered that they aren't actually bringing the value they think they are? It's called the Dunning–Kruger effect.

Those who are reasonably smart and actually do have valuable skills, understand what they can and can't do, and what they know and what they don't know. They are highly employable and employers treat them well as otherwise they simple go elsewhere.

Some bring value some don't.....doesn't change my point! An experiment at Cornell University is not relevant to the context of individuals experiencing bullying, discrimination etc. Also some employers wish to screw as much out of employees for as little payout as they can because they wish to maximise their own margins and profit. The idea that all employers are benign is naive in the extreme! In any event Burson's research discredited Dunning-Kruger when he pointed out that those performing at a 'higher level' in a task where just as prone to error............it was probably the arrogance of their assumptions about others and their own sense of self importance;)