Corbynomics: A Dystopia

ukcarper

Generali wrote: »

I'd be quite interested to understand what 0.16% means (not a criticism of you, just a statement).

I suppose we have to take as face value, but the unions had the opportunity to try and change labours policy on trident and they didn't take it.

antrobus

ukcarper wrote: »

http://news.sky.com/story/1559703/corbyn-facing-trident-defeat-at-union-hands

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/27/corbyn-trident-vote-rejected-labour-party-conference

So?

You said, of the 'big trade unions' that "They might be to the left but not so far as oppose trident." And yet Unison, the UK's second biggest union ia affiliated to CND and thus opposed to Trident. As indeed are PCS, NUT, and CWU who are all in the union 'top ten', whilst Unite (who are no 1) are split over the issue.

Thus you were wrong.

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

So?

You said, of the 'big trade unions' that "They might be to the left but not so far as oppose trident." And yet Unison, the UK's second biggest union ia affiliated to CND and thus opposed to Trident. As indeed are PCS, NUT, and CWU who are all in the union 'top ten', whilst Unite (who are no 1) are split over the issue.

Thus you were wrong.

But they didn't take the opportunity to change Labour policy.

antrobus

ukcarper wrote: »

But they didn't take the opportunity to change Labour policy.

But that doesn't change the fact that you were wrong.

antrobus

controversy wrote: »

...Just like every other major currency in the world our mainstream banks have devalued our currency against the us dollar but the increase in the money supply hasn't gone to the people but instead has filled the banks & their disciples pockets. ....

Don't they have mainstream banks in the USA? Don't they have the same 'money printing' ability? Hasn't cable been around 1.50 for the past six years or so? Haven't there been numerous complaints in recent times of how the strength of GBP has been damaging UK manufacturing? Are you for real?:)

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

But that doesn't change the fact that you were wrong.

They didn't vote to oppose trident actions speak louder than words.

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

But that doesn't change the fact that you were wrong.

ukcarper wrote: »

But they didn't take the opportunity to change Labour policy.

Rather than carpering or antrobusing each other perhaps it's worth understanding where the disconnect is. Personally, I believe you both which means:

1. Unions are against Trident
2. Unions voted for Trident

So what happened? Did unions forget they are against Trident? Are the union people that get to vote re Trident that set union policy different to the people that get to vote on Labour policy? Something else?

ukcarper

Generali wrote: »

Rather than carpering or antrobusing each other perhaps it's worth understanding where the disconnect is. Personally, I believe you both which means:

1. Unions are against Trident
2. Unions voted for Trident

So what happened? Did unions forget they are against Trident? Are the union people that get to vote re Trident that set union policy different to the people that get to vote on Labour policy? Something else?

As you know nothing is a simply as that, ideologically the unions are opposed to Trident but their primary responsibility is to look after thier members and that is why they didn't vote for motion.

As an aside I don't think that opposing Trident means you are on the far left.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

Rather than carpering or antrobusing each other perhaps it's worth understanding where the disconnect is. Personally, I believe you both which means:

1. Unions are against Trident
2. Unions voted for Trident

So what happened? Did unions forget they are against Trident? Are the union people that get to vote re Trident that set union policy different to the people that get to vote on Labour policy? Something else?

Basically, yes.:)

I was simply pointing out that UKcarper was wrong. Out of the 'big unions' at least 4.5 of them are against Trident. The issue of why they did not want to take the opportunity to at least debate the issue at the Labour conference would be a different question altogether.

gadgetmind

I agree. Trident is (like most issues) a complex one that cuts right across traditional party lines and I'd expect a variety of views and votes from all sides.