Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Generali

Moby wrote: »

Calling this thread 'Corbynomics' is tendentious in the extreme. Banging on about 'the company he keeps' is hardly economics either! This thread is just a vehicle for the expression of personal bigotry and is highly inflammatory imo.

If you go back to the OP it was about a ridiculous piece of dystopian fiction written in the Daily Mail and has rather morphed from there.

I don't see what's so inflammatory about it. Surely you don't support this dolt? He'll destroy the Labour Party the was he's going.

There's a great sub-head in the FT today: Night of the Blunt Knives.

michaels

My understanding is that labour policy is set by conference and that settled labour policy is that trident should be renewed. However Maria Eagle seems to have lost her job for espousing labour policy as agreed by the party at conference? Certainly a new sort of leadership but it doesn't smack of democracy.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

My understanding is that labour policy is set by conference and that settled labour policy is that trident should be renewed. However Maria Eagle seems to have lost her job for espousing labour policy as agreed by the party at conference? Certainly a new sort of leadership but it doesn't smack of democracy.

Democracy for much of the left is the right to vote for and speak in language that they approve of. What sort of a plum finds criticism of a party leader "offensive". It's not offensive in the least.

Tromking

Corbyn and his accolytes won't be happy until they have the hard left party they are so convinced the electorate is crying out for. It probably won't work, which is a pity in my opinion.

gadgetmind

Moby wrote: »

Total rubbish. In my job the Union is the only thing that stands for decent work conditions. Thousands of people are in the same position. Nothing worse than a worker sucking up to their tory masters! Its as if exploitation doesnt exist anymore.

I would rather drink a bucket of cold vomit than join a union. They nearly destroyed this country in the 70s and they'd do it again given half a chance.

They put their extreme left wing politics ahead of everything else, including the interests of their poor deluded members, and always will. Unions reps lie to members about their pensions to try and foment unrest while union leaders regard it all as some great class struggle rather than everyone working together to make an organisation successful.

My wife has also been spat at and had her car kicked by some union types for (gasp!) having the audacity to go to work, and she wasn't even a member of their nasty little club.

Some countries manage to "do unions" in a way that's just about acceptable (Germany for instance) but not the UK, so they need stamping out once and for all.

Tromking

gadgetmind wrote: »

I would rather drink a bucket of cold vomit than join a union. They nearly destroyed this country in the 70s and they'd do it again given half a chance.

They put their extreme left wing politics ahead of everything else, including the interests of their poor deluded members, and always will. Unions reps lie to members about their pensions to try and foment unrest while union leaders regard it all as some great class struggle rather than everyone working together to make an organisation successful.

My wife has also been spat at and had her car kicked by some union types for (gasp!) having the audacity to go to work, and she wasn't even a member of their nasty little club.

Some countries manage to "do unions" in a way that's just about acceptable (Germany for instance) but not the UK, so they need stamping out once and for all.

Absolute fascist drivel.
I owe the Union movement just about everything, nobody can deny the their excesses of the 1970's, and they were reformed accordingly and rightly so. This country would not be the country it is without the past and current much needed balance Unions bring to the negotiating table.

gadgetmind

Tromking wrote: »

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I owe the Union movement just about everything

In common with the vast majority of people, unions have never done anything but harm to me, and never will.

nobody can deny the their excesses of the 1970's, and they were reformed accordingly and rightly so

I can assure that a lot of people, including I'm pretty sure that Corbyn chap, look back on the unrest, strikes and violence with teary-eyed nostalgia and would like to see us return to those troubled times.

Fortunately, we had an election and they lost, but we can't let our guard down.

antrobus

Tromking wrote: »

Absolute fascist drivel.
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Typical pseudo-leftist drivel. Characterising any criticism as 'fascist'.

Malthusian

I owe the Union movement just about everything, nobody can deny the their excesses of the 1970's, and they were reformed accordingly and rightly so. This country would not be the country it is without the past and current much needed balance Unions bring to the negotiating table.

The usual "all glory to the State" stuff.

We work 8 hour days in 2015 instead of the 12+ hour days we did in 1815 because of advances in technology and improvements in efficiency. Technology invented, funded and driven to market by people that the Labour movement denounces as profiteering scum trying to extract rents from capital and put honest workers out of a job. To achieve these improvements in efficiency which allow us to work shorter hours, they had to fight tooth and nail to overcome regulation, barriers to entry and union opposition.

But no sooner have the inventors and entrepreneurs defeated the loom-smashers and achieved better living standards, the loom-smashers immediately switch to taking the credit.

ukcarper

gadgetmind wrote: »

I would rather drink a bucket of cold vomit than join a union. They nearly destroyed this country in the 70s and they'd do it again given half a chance.

They put their extreme left wing politics ahead of everything else, including the interests of their poor deluded members, and always will. Unions reps lie to members about their pensions to try and foment unrest while union leaders regard it all as some great class struggle rather than everyone working together to make an organisation successful.

My wife has also been spat at and had her car kicked by some union types for (gasp!) having the audacity to go to work, and she wasn't even a member of their nasty little club.

Some countries manage to "do unions" in a way that's just about acceptable (Germany for instance) but not the UK, so they need stamping out once and for all.

Rubbish I was a member of trade union all my working life and it did none of those things and worked with management in the introduction of new technology which vastly reduced work force while ensuring its members benefit at the same time.