Starting Again at Zero

ACG

It doesnt prove anything other than they probably did not need to.

BJV

ACG wrote: »

We can go on, I think we live on different planets.

Wow I can not honestly believe that you are advocating that someone who is starting a fresh and who has a history of mental health issues starts to spin a web of lies.!!!


I live in the real world and guess what sometimes it is horrible. Sometimes it shocks me as to how cruel we can be to each other. Sometimes it is the most amazing place in the world. I know that I am lucky but it has not always been like this.


We have all had issues, all had problems and those problems and how we deal with those issues are what makes us who we are today. We have all had knocks and bumps along the way.


OP please be honest. Mental health is not a death sentence, you are not a rapist, serial killer just someone who has had needed help.


Posts saying that you should lie are putting the whole debate about mental health back 50 years. Mental health is not something to be brushed under the carpet. It is not something to be ashamed of. God what next? lets lie about sexuality?
Lets lie about religious beliefs? Mental conditions can be a disability so are you saying that we should never employ anyone who is disabled. Really ??????


OP you can if you want find a job where you will be valued and be honest at the same time. It will not be easy and I would be lying if I said it would, but it is far better to be up front than to lie. I am an employer and TBH if I employed you and you did not tell me and then I found out I would dismiss you on the spot. If you told me first completely different story. I would judge you on your ability to do the job.

BJV

devilivus wrote: »

If you've been sacked from a job for gross missconduct, then it's best to lie and just erase the job from your history as if it never existed. Replace the gap with almost anything!
(I used to say 'travelling' as a younger man when I was job hunting)

Being honest is a noble sentiment, but it won't put food on the table if you have a bad past. You'll be the homeless guy with principles!

P.s Again tell your employer the real reason you left as otherwise you will look like a complete **** when they get references. If you have completely taken the past employer out of your cv you will still look like a *** when your new employer gets your P45. MMMMm thought you told me you where unemployed for ???? months. Strange as you have earned £???? . You do not have to go into all the horrible details but please do not try and hide it. It just wastes everyone time.

No it will not but it will make sure that once you have it no one will come and take it away. I may not have much but what I have is mine. I have struggled for years and never once had to lie, cheat, steal or compromise my honesty. Underhand and devious principles are only ever short lived. In the end someone always finds out and then what?

Flyonthewall

BJV, couldn't agree more!

ACG

Sexuality/religious beliefs are not going to have an impact upon your job.
Illnesses may.

Just to be clear, I am not saying the OP should "spin a web of lies". I am also not suggesting for one minute it is anything to be ashamed of. I am saying an interview is not the place for it to come out.

Flyonthewall

ACG wrote: »

Sexuality/religious beliefs are not going to have an impact upon your job.
Illnesses may.

No, but that doesn't stop people judging you based on them and deciding you're not the right person to work there.

Actually, having said that, if your religion has holidays then it does have an impact if they'll be taking days off for that.

Just to be clear, I am not saying the OP should "spin a web of lies". I am also not suggesting for one minute it is anything to be ashamed of. I am saying an interview is not the place for it to come out.

So what are they supposed to do?

Interviewer: "Can you explain the gap on your CV?"

OP: "Um, no, I'll wait til you give me the job. I feel now is not the right time."

You can't do that and the interview is the first place they'll ask you about that gap. It's that point you either lie or tell the truth - there are no other options.

pinpin

I remember a few years ago when applying for jobs I had a gap of a little over a year on my CV.
In this gap, I just lived off of my savings and chose to enjoy life.
As someone who has always detested work, I always take the opportunity to NOT work if it's a possibility and I won't starve to death!

I never assumed this would be looked down upon so much (and I still don't. Not everyone loves work!) until I began going to interviews. You have to pretend that you 'live to work' in interviews.
I couldn't understand it! If I won a medium sized lump of money on the lottery which meant I could afford to relax and sit around on a beach for 30 years and then ran out of money and needed a job for a few years, I'd assume that I wouldn't be judged negatively? I'd imagine the person interviewing me would also quit their job if they won a few million pounds!!! lol

Anyway, after realising that this was a problem for interviewers, I got a friend of mine who owns a building firm to pretend that i'd been working there which, after many failed interviews (even with agencies!) of telling the truth, meant that I was soon employed now that I had a 'reference' from a 'job' to explain the gap.

If you have a friend who owns a business, I'd suggest this is the easiest way to 'fill a gap' in my experience.

Flyonthewall

pinpin wrote: »

I remember a few years ago when applying for jobs I had a gap of a little over a year on my CV.
In this gap, I just lived off of my savings and chose to enjoy life.
As someone who has always detested work, I always take the opportunity to NOT work if it's a possibility and I won't starve to death!

I never assumed this would be looked down upon so much (and I still don't. Not everyone loves work!) until I began going to interviews. You have to pretend that you 'live to work' in interviews.
I couldn't understand it! If I won a medium sized lump of money on the lottery which meant I could afford to relax and sit around on a beach for 30 years and then ran out of money and needed a job for a few years, I'd assume that I wouldn't be judged negatively? I'd imagine the person interviewing me would also quit their job if they won a few million pounds!!! lol

Anyway, after realising that this was a problem for interviewers, I got a friend of mine who owns a building firm to pretend that i'd been working there which, after many failed interviews (even with agencies!) of telling the truth, meant that I was soon employed now that I had a 'reference' from a 'job' to explain the gap.

If you have a friend who owns a business, I'd suggest this is the easiest way to 'fill a gap' in my experience.

If you're sat around, especially sat around just spending money, you're losing touch with what it's like to work and not gaining any skills, experience or using your existing skills (meaning you could forget even the basic things). Of course they're going to look down on you for that.

If you say you've spent that money on new experiences or travelled and now have more understanding of different cultures, learnt new things and all of that sort of thing and apply that to the job then they'll look on it as a good thing.

Getting a false reference is worse than just lying. You're dragging someone else into it all and while unlikely that it could come back on them there is a possibility. Either way, the second they find out you'll be fired. Worse still, they could take possibly take legal action. Only takes a small slip up or a glance at social media to find that out.

It's a very stupid thing to do and you really shouldn't be suggesting that anyone do that.

pinpin

Some of you write as if i'm suggesting trying to fool the CIA!
I have actual experience of this and I know of a number of other people who have used such tactics to improve their chances of landing a job too and I know what works and the best ways to do it.
I'll leave it at that. Without a common point of reference it's difficult to carry on this sort of discussion as some of you have only read about what can supposedly happen if you're naughty and lie on a CV, and how you'll always get found out etc, whereas I actually know due to personal real life experiences and have not once been 'found out' and have kept some positions for years!

OP - Do whatever you feel is best.

Good luck

devilivus

BJV wrote: »

P.s Again tell your employer the real reason you left as otherwise you will look like a complete **** when they get references. If you have completely taken the past employer out of your cv you will still look like a *** when your new employer gets your P45. MMMMm thought you told me you where unemployed for ???? months. Strange as you have earned £???? . ?

You obviously don't give them a p45 for a job you claimed not to have!:rotfl:

I used to just say I never recieved a p45, and was asked to fill out a p46 and that was the end of it!