Just wondering if this is allowed

Polarbeary

BoJangles wrote: »

You may think that but I didn't get to where I am today by having that type of attitude.

And where are today may I ask?

I have a pretty leftie, cynical attitude. However I go to work to do a good job and I have been promoted, have excellent appraisals and have worked for over 10 years, becoming a pretty senior PA. I don't do unpaid overtime if I can help it. I will stay and do any urgent stuff, check my emails on my Blackberry but I do not make a habit of it.

Takeaway_Addict

Polarbeary wrote: »

But it's true. A company is not a sentient being. It does not care about you. Your managers will soon forget about you when you leave as we are ALL replaceable. There are jobs yes where the job is meaningful and helps people or society in some way. The vast number of jobs, especially low pay retail work, they do really not care about you.

Any employer can get rid of you quite easily and they would have no qualms and I have seen how badly people have been treated by employers.

Which is why I say, go to work, do the job you are paid to do as well as you can and go home.

I agree that all are replaceable but you are doing alot of employers a disservice saying they don't care.

Polarbeary

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

I agree that all are replaceable but you are doing alot of employers a disservice saying they don't care.

I think you have been working for different employers to me. I have numerous examples...too lengthy to detail here but it's made me very cynical. I take into account the experiences of family and friends too that have unfortunately shown that they don't care.

Perhaps small companies have more caring owners/managers? My experiences are civil service and large financial organisations.

BoJangles_2

Polarbeary wrote: »

But why should they? Why has society evolved to this and why do some people where it as a badge of honour? Life is short and I can guarantee on your death bed work will not matter....all those unpaid hours toiling away for someone else.

Polarbeary wrote: »

And where are today may I ask?

I have a pretty leftie, cynical attitude. However I go to work to do a good job and I have been promoted, have excellent appraisals and have worked for over 10 years, becoming a pretty senior PA. I don't do unpaid overtime if I can help it. I will stay and do any urgent stuff, check my emails on my Blackberry but I do not make a habit of it.

Ditto. I am all for people getting paid for any overtime worked etc. but this topic is all about 5 minutes before a shift.

If people are going to moan about that then god forbid what else they are going to moan about. I'm not sure I'd want anyone with that attitude working for me.

It is give and take. If you want a favour one day don't whinge when they say no because you've been less than accommodating.

quietriot

BoJangles wrote: »

but this topic is all about 5 minutes before a shift.

I've explained before that this is 19 hours a year. Very nearly an additional 3 working days.

So, what is the annual cutoff for where you feel this extra work should be paid for?

BoJangles_2

quietriot wrote: »

I've explained before that this is 19 hours a year. Very nearly an additional 3 working days.

So, what is the annual cutoff for where you feel this extra work should be paid for?

Do you work 7 days per week, 52 weeks per year?

Think of it as an investment of your time, you never know, a payrise or promotion might be the end result. For some others it might just keep them in their job as aiming to be early is best policy, what are you going to do if you are late? Surely that would be just as bad, stealing from your employer?

lemontart

Not unusual sadly, the systems I used took good 20 mins to load up and I had to be ready to take calls on the dot of shift start time so was case of being at a desk 30 mins before start of shift and that was unpaid, also if dealing with a call when shift ended any time after not paid. Not great on a 12 hr shift

bugslet

Polarbeary wrote: »

Perhaps small companies have more caring owners/managers?

A lot are. Many of my staff stay for years, I've several that have stayed 20+ years till retirement. Quite a few tell me that it's the best job they've had and that's depsite that because we are a small company and can't afford all the frills, we try to treat everyone with respect and allow more autonomy than many firms in our sector do, which I think is a big plus point.

My two sub-contractors also seem to retain their staff for a long time, which I take as an indicator of the staff being relatively happy. Again they are small firms.

It does irk me to see all employers lumped in to one pot as uncaring, out to squeeze every drop of blood. I would never dream of saying that all employees are workshy layabouts or thieving gits, though undoubtedly some are.

quietriot

BoJangles wrote: »

Do you work 7 days per week, 52 weeks per year?

No, because that would have made it 30 hours. I calculated the 19 hours figure based on 5 minutes x 5 days x 47 weeks = 19.58 hours

If you're that bad at maths I hope your job doesn't involve cash handling.

BoJangles wrote: »

Think of it as an investment of your time

Aren't investments normally optional though?

getmore4less

This is not about just 5 minutes

It is about employers that fail to recognise working time and where they pay minimum wage break those regulations by not taking it into account in their pay to employees.
(perfectly ok to not pay all the hours worked as long as you pay at least min wage)

Employers that insist on you being there early and not registering your time if they use a system like clocking in are clearly aware of their obligations under the law and are doing there upmost to ensure there are no records of their breaches. Some also seem to back this up with bully tactics and threats of dismisal.