Just wondering if this is allowed

bluenoseam

quietriot wrote: »

If an employer expects an employee to be ready to start work at their start time, then it's the employer's responsibility to make sure that all the tools necessary for them to do their work are in place and operational. If the computer needs to be switched on to start work, then the employer either switches it on in time for the employee starting, or pays the employee for the time spent switching it on themselves.

And I'd remind you that 5 minutes a day equates to over 19.5 hours per year for a full-time employee. Would you work for your employer for that much time and not get paid for it? Thought not.

Yes I would, mostly because of the flip side of that. I just this week scheduled in two days "off" where my days off for that week are switched to cover a concert I'm going to. Next week I have a rather important appointment after which I've admitted I'm highly likely to be so drunk I'll barely be able to move - understanding the importance he allowed me to take a holiday for that. On the rare occasions where public transport lets me down & I'm running late I don't get a beasting for it, instead he's cool about me running slightly late.

Maybe I'm just lucky like that, but all but ONE boss in my life has been like that, in varying degrees I'll admit, but almost all of them have been pretty relaxed. They also know I don't turn up early for their benefit, I do it because it means I can grab a coffee prior to starting work while I catch up. It goes both ways, I wouldn't dream of rocking up and saying "yeah boss, I know it's September but I'm taking 2 days off for a gig" without being the kind of guy who isn't afraid to pull a bit of unpaid overtime every once in a while. Similarly when he's looking for someone to pull an extra shift either short notice or otherwise he rarely phones the guys rocking up at 10.59.

Fireflyaway

In my old call centre job I had to be available to take the first call at 9am. To be available you had to log onto several systems on the pc which could take anywhere from 5-15 mins. If you added up all that time then over a year yes its a lot of time unpaid.

Having said that I would not quibble over 5 mins. If you have a job and there are lot worse things that could happen than being unpaid for 5 mins.

Polarbeary

This makes me so glad I work in an office with flexi-time! It's easy to forget what other jobs are like and makes me appreciate mine much more!

Undervalued

quietriot wrote: »

And I'd remind you that 5 minutes a day equates to over 19.5 hours per year for a full-time employee. Would you work for your employer for that much time and not get paid for it? Thought not.

I think you will find that the majority of people in most senior roles or professions do that much unpaid overtime a month and sometimes even per week!

But then maybe that why they have a senior or professional job.

Polarbeary

Undervalued wrote: »

I think you will find that the majority of people in most senior roles or professions do that much unpaid overtime a month and sometimes even per week!

But then maybe that why they have a senior or professional job.

My ex Director works around 60 hours a week plus he works on his laptop at the weekend. He's had a heart attack and has limited family time but earns around £200k a year. Worth it? I think not but he has a mortgage and 2 kids to educate.

At the end of the day, we are ALL replaceable though. Your company doesn't care about you and we are all just fodder. It's probably easier to put up with the extra 5 minutes a day then be marked as a trouble maker. What a world!

iammumtoone

I can see I an going to have to change my mindset about work. I am guessing the OP is earning min wage hence why they are reluctant to work even 5 min extra per day.

I work in a office (I have to clock in) I am always at my desk at least 5 mins before the start of work to turn my PC on, I often work through lunch when needed. I give at least 1 hour more of my time each week sometimes it much more.

I am not paid min wage I earn £9 per hour which in five years time will be the new min wage. Will the OP still not be happy about working 5 mins extra per day then? Maybe I am going to have to change my working attitude when I will only be earning min wage!

However it is a very interesting question whether this has be to done. I would guess yes as the start of work time is actually starting work (ie at your desk, on the shop floor) not arrival at the building time.

poppy_f1

BoJangles wrote: »

Not where I work!

or where i work

i have to be logged in and ready to start work at the start of my shift so i need to be in 5 or 10 mins early to make sure the pc is booted up and logged in to all the systems

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

Polarbeary wrote: »

My ex Director works around 60 hours a week plus he works on his laptop at the weekend. He's had a heart attack and has limited family time but earns around £200k a year. Worth it? I think not but he has a mortgage and 2 kids to educate.

At the end of the day, we are ALL replaceable though. Your company doesn't care about you and we are all just fodder. It's probably easier to put up with the extra 5 minutes a day then be marked as a trouble maker. What a world!

A mortgage and 2 kids? Wow, however does he manage.

MsBlonde

I had to be 30 mins early for my shift in my last job, and finish 20 mins after my working hours, basically I worked 50 mins unpaid daily, when questioned, I got told it was the norm. Despite it bringing me under minimum wage. Didn't even get a paid lunch either lol so that was another 30 mins of being at work (and being asked to work through my lunch) which I didn't get paid for

Polarbeary

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

A mortgage and 2 kids? Wow, however does he manage.

Mortgage is probably £800,000 as it's huge in a posh area, wife doesn't work and he probably pays £20k in school fees. These people have got used to expensive tastes.