Trauma in Tunisia

silvercar

Cardew wrote: »

Everyone has their own perception of risk.


From a terrorism aspect, I would put taking your family hiking in Helmand Province in Afghanistan in the high risk category, and taking them hiking in the Antarctic as low risk.


It is not just terrorism. West Africa is unsafe because of the Ebola virus. Good old fashioned crime! makes many countries/cities dangerous - even in the USA, many parts of major cities are 'no go' areas.

We are talking about risks changing between booking and the holiday date and how the charges for changing or losing money impacts on the decision people make on whethe to go on the holiday.

If the risk is the same between booking and going there is less of an issue because nothing has changed.

Cardew

silvercar wrote: »

We are talking about risks changing between booking and the holiday date and how the charges for changing or losing money impacts on the decision people make on whethe to go on the holiday.

If the risk is the same between booking and going there is less of an issue because nothing has changed.

With respect, your first paragraph isn't the line taken by some of the posters in this thread - they are talking in general about terrorist threats.


With regard to your second paragraph, surely the latest Tunisia outrage means the risk has increased for many holiday destinations; in that ISIS are prepared to send gunmen to murder tourists.


It would IMO be reasonable for someone to cancel a booked holiday in, say, Egypt Red Sea resorts, if they consider the threat is greater in the light of the Tunisia situation.

mickaveli2001

gregg1 wrote: »

Of course life is a gamble. But gambling involves assessing and deciding whether you are prepared to take the risk. I am taking my family abroad for a holiday soon. There may or may not be a risk, who knows. But I think there would be a greater risk were I to take them to somewhere like Tunisia, Turkey, Egypt etc at this point in time.

So no, i am not intending to stay at home "just in case". But neither am I prepared to take what I consider to be greater risks just for the sake of a holiday.

Exactly. "terror" attacks can happen anywhere. The impact would surely strike more fear the 'closer' they occurred? I'm pretty sure our country's leadership thrive off the panic / fear for easier moulding of public demand for action (IE; Syria invasion) to go after the very guys our government (and the US) financed, supplied and created.


I'd rather book wherever I like. terror attack can happen at airports (Glasgow) or at city's around the UK. No country is 'safe'

1trainer1

peachyprice wrote: »

Do you really need to ask?

Lyon (assume that's were you meant, not Paris?) was an attack by an ex-employee who killed his ex boss. Tunisia was a targetted attack aimed purely at killing dozens of western tourists. Can you really not see the difference?

So people are saying don't go to Tunisia as two attacks happened within a few months, well two attacks also happened in France within the space of a few months.

Should be comparing Country V Country or City V City not Country V City

peachyprice

1trainer1 wrote: »

So people are saying don't go to Tunisia as two attacks happened within a few months, well two attacks also happened in France within the space of a few months.

Should be comparing Country V Country or City V City not Country V City

The attacks in France were not direct attacks on tourist, why is that so hard to understand? To have got caught up in either of those incidents whilst on holiday would have been extremely unlucky and unlikely, same for the majority of other terrorist attacks mentioned here, the complete lack of British tourist casualties speaks volumes.

Sitting on a beach in Tunisia you might as well have a target on your back. There have been 2 actual attacks and one thwarted attack this year, how many more hints do you need that they don't want you there? Going there is more akin to an English person going on holiday to Belfast during The Troubles, just with better weather.

mickaveli2001

Will it just be Tunisia or will other popular British tourist designations be targeted? If the alleged perpetrators travelled by boat, then Majorca, Ibiza, Alacante, Malaga, Malta, Crete & Cyprus are all accessible by this mode of transport, especially in the summer months when the currents are calmer

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The fear induced by terrorism is always disproportionate to the risk of terrorism. My in-laws were freaked by my wife and I going to Istanbul last week.

I'm pretty sure we faced more (statistical) risk of injury driving to the airport than from radicalised jihaddi terrorism. We're rubbish as perceiving risk. I'm sure your life is far more at risk in Ibiza/Majorca from those stupid little mopeds than a weird ISIL plot against British holiday-makers

I'm saying this also as someone (one of thousands) who missed the Edgeware Tube bombing 10 years ago (travelling 15 minutes earlier than normal that day), then had to get on with 'going back to routine'

Yolina

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

No country is 'safe'

Switzerland might be the best bet for a 'safe' country Won't be a cheap AI holiday though if that's what people normally go for.
Corsica should be OK too on the grounds that the locals are the ones who blow sh*t up but they try not to maim tourists in the process (and being half Corsican, I can get away with saying this :rotfl: )

peachyprice

mickaveli2001 wrote: »

Will it just be Tunisia or will other popular British tourist designations be targeted? If the alleged perpetrators travelled by boat, then Majorca, Ibiza, Alacante, Malaga, Malta, Crete & Cyprus are all accessible by this mode of transport, especially in the summer months when the currents are calmer

Are they muslim countries with a large radicalised population that want western ways eradicated from their countries? No, didn't think so.

Cardew

ringo_24601 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure we faced more (statistical) risk of injury driving to the airport than from radicalised jihaddi terrorism.

38 were killed in the second attack, 22 were killed 3 months earlier. Many more were injured.


I don't know if road traffic casualty statistics are held detailing those who were en-route to an airport, but I would wager your suggestion above is incorrect.