Here we can all be heard for a little while

System

Waves_and_Smiles wrote: »

That is really interesting, MU. As I said we are all on the scale somewhere and that can fluctuate as life changes. You could try talking to Brooke just to see what happens? When we first started talking I would ask questions and write down whatever replies I heard. Some of my others have always spoken to me with their voices and I to them since I was a very small child but some never had and felt more comfortable writing out answers at first and I didn't feel so freaked out. Now we all talk inside, this became much easier when I stopped trying to pretend that they weren't there and thinking they were symptoms of an illness. They obviously didn't like that much and were therefore quite reluctant to make friends with me!

I've tried talking to her...she just argues with me (it's rather annoying...when she's being negative i have to put her in her place and half the time it backfires on me and she gets her way.)

code- it seems we have the same issue.

rather large crotch biting penguin

she first appeared after i had been sexually assaulted. i lacked any confidence after what had happened but she seemed to give me confidence. in some ways taking on her persona i didn't feel as vulnerable. and talking to people online (i;d met the person who assaulted me online) she gave me a front, a persona that wasn't me who i felt safe with. its just in recent years shes been more negative.


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calleyw

Something I do and I would never admit it to anyone but my friends here.


Penguin-Just something a bit private

Is I often have whole conversations with myself out loud. Sometimes I have 3 or 4 a day about the same subject. I just play out how I would want something to go. And do both sides.

I think its my way of working out things and how to get the best I want from certain interactions. Never goes the way I plan it as of course I can't really know how the other person will react.

I can do the same interaction numerous times a day for a week or so.Then drop it. I only do it when no one else is around, so in the car or on a walk but its always has to be out loud. Not sure how long this has been going on for a good 4-5 years at least.

I have never mentioned this to anyone and only feel safe mentioning it here as I know I wont be judged or made to feel stupid.

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Not sure what to make of it and have never told anyone such as my gp about it.

Yours

Calley

Flybaby

**waves and runs through the fort, covered in mud and cement dust, turns round, goes back to doormat and wipes feet and runs over to goodie table to find the cheese puffs and plonks down on a sofa**


Hello troops..........and officially today we are............meh! one step forward, two steps back, plodding on tho..........making decisions, changing my mind.......good day, bad day............. anyone else feel like they are going in circles?


Hello susan and thank you for the lovely manatee pictures - now I bet manatees would give good squishes.


Hello idea - you are in good company here..........I reckon half the population is a little dissatisfied with the lovely life they ended up with......me included. I know da*m well how lucky I am to be financially secure, have a home, an awesome hubby and a fabulous mother and most of the time, a reasonably good job.............I know there are so many people out there with less than I have and so many awful situations and problems..............yet still I feel meh............ so come on in to the fort and have a {squish} from me......... it's quite okay to feel meh........and I am real impressed with your French adventure. You go girl!


I am jealous of you Italian speakin peoples - it's my fav place on the planet, so wish I could speak more than pidgeon.


WaS -I like that you explain all the MH stuff as I don't understand it all fully and you present it all so clearly so thankyou.


and {squishes} for all.............

Waves_and_Smiles

I am so sorry, MU that must have been so scary. It isn't until I look back that I realise that I spent a lot of my 20's losing time and sometimes putting myself in danger. These days I just tend to freeze on the spot which is a lot safer!

It's a lot more common than people realise, code. People rarely talk about other personalities/alter egos/whatever you wish to call them but quite a few people have them. It is a shame it still such a hidden subject because so many people are afraid of hearing others when a lot of the time they can be really helpful to have around. Plus they are company, my lot are my friends and family combined and I am theirs.

Hugs MU. That is a very common reason for another person to pop up. In my case my others are here because of the abuse I suffered, I was a little girl who knew she had no one to turn to so I made people who would be there for me. It's a shame Brooke has become more negative lately. I had one who was very negative but that was because she was holding a very bad memory that ate away at her, once I understood why she acted as she did and could acknowledge that to her and thank her for protecting me things got better.

There is nothing wrong with that Calley! I talk a lot of things out with Cas here. It is a very sensible way of processing things and finding out the best outcome for you. I truly believe that you should keep doing so, there is nothing to judge you badly for at all.

Aww, you are welcome Flybaby. I always try to explain things because so little is clearly spoken about. The text books often don't help because they give a very cold and clinical view, living with mental health problems is often far different, for better and for worse.

elsien

Potentially daft question time.
I always think of psychopathy as more of an extreme personality trait rather than a mental health illness type thingy. Where does it fall on the diagnostic spectrum ?

System

elsien wrote: »

Potentially daft question time.
I always think of psychopathy as more of an extreme personality trait rather than a mental health illness type thingy. Where does it fall on the diagnostic spectrum ?

I#m not sure, psychopathy and sociopathy to me both seem to be more of a personality thing. I'm not sure where they stand officially.

Waves_and_Smiles

You are both right, they are declared disorders rather than illness. A psychopathic personality tends to be there since birth. In my case with psychosis I didn't have it at all until my mid 20's when something broke in my body and my chemicals became imbalanced. Therefore it is declared an illness because it is of physical origin, I wasn't born this way, something went wrong. Obviously environment, the hereditary factor and nurture played a part, too but the main cause is my chemicals do not work as others do anymore. Even though I may have been prone to it genetically, for a long time nothing broke.

With psychopathy and psychopathy it is always there and drugs like anti-psychotics won't change it. They may make the person very drugged so incapable of certain behaviours but they still retain the same personality difference to most of the general population. It is far more about their personality as individuals than about any chemical changes.

Not all disorders are there since birth at all, and some can be caused by biochemical changes. But psychopathy is supposed to be one which that has always been present and is therefore different to psychosis.

calleyw

Waves_and_Smiles wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with that Calley! I talk a lot of things out with Cas here. It is a very sensible way of processing things and finding out the best outcome for you. I truly believe that you should keep doing so, there is nothing to judge you badly for at all.

Thanks. I just know if I told someone outside of this thread what I do. I know the words that would come to mind. That I am mental.

Problem is sometimes it leaves me upset and angry and then puts the downer on the day.

Yours

Calley

System

Waves_and_Smiles wrote: »

You are both right, they are declared disorders rather than illness. A psychopathic personality tends to be there since birth. In my case with psychosis I didn't have it at all until my mid 20's when something broke in my body and my chemicals became imbalanced. Therefore it is declared an illness because it is of physical origin, I wasn't born this way, something went wrong. Obviously environment, the hereditary factor and nurture played a part, too but the main cause is my chemicals do not work as others do anymore. Even though I have main been prone to it genetically, for a long time nothing broke.

With psychopathy and psychopathy it is always there and drugs like anti-psychotics won't change it. They may make the person very drugged so incapable of certain behaviours but they still retain the same personality difference to most of the general population. It is far more about their personality as individuals than about any chemical changes.

Not all disorders are there since birth at all, and some can be caused by biochemical changes. But psychopathy is supposed to be one which that has always been present and is therefore different to psychosis.

Psychosis to me has always been separate, based on the fact i though psychosis could be controlled (or at least lessened in intensity) by medication, where as psychopathy cannot.

I was (mis)diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, which was horrible as i got the impression its an illness that can;t be treated and as soon as medical professional see it they treat you differently. I have two friends, married to each other, one had BPD, the other bipolar, and you can see by comparing their experiences how differently they are treated. I ended up with the bipolar diagnosis after my psych saw me during a hypermanic episode (and the fact it does respond to mes=ds). I felt i initially got the BOD diagnosis cos i was a female who self harmed, i fear a lot of other get diagnosed based on similar criteria.

Waves_and_Smiles

Aw, Calley, I promise you that it is fine. I don;t see it as 'mental' at all and I am sure that no one here does. A lot of people are just ignorant about mental health, and I don't mean that as an insult I mean literally ignorant in that they don't understand and have never been taught. So they make assumptions that go with the crowd and often get it very wrong.

Another one I hate is that Schizophrenia means someone is dangerous and the media doesn't help with that. The majority of schizophrenics are no more likely to hurt someone more than anyone else and for those who do sometimes lash out it is usually because they are terrified and feel threatened. But again, many people don't understand and don't try to sadly so the myths about these conditions continue.