Brexit

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

An integration of legal systems could equally mean the end of the investigating magistrate and the introduction of the adversarial system.

There is a view, common in the UK, that the UK gives up everything (lb and oz, rights over her borders, farming system) to the EU. Funnily enough, when I've made an effort to speak to the French they think that they have given everything up to Europe and I suspect most other large countries do.

Small countries accept that they are tos't on ev'ry tide.

I find it very difficult to believe that you genuinely think there is an equal chance that the European models of justice would be replaced by trial by jury of one's peers.
Of course you didn't say that but that was my point.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

No you didn't. You ranted endlessly about them all being racists against the English.

I think you should just lay your cards on the table Clapton.

You are retired, so no longer care about the enormous economic advantages that your generation enjoyed through being part of the EU.

You don't appear to travel, so don't see any reason why anyone would want to travel here.

You dislike what the UK has become, even though you have benefited immensely from it, and want to turn the clock back to 1950 for everyone else while enjoying the fruits of decades of economic expansion for yourself.

Selfish.

thank you for causing me to remember me that my passport runs out in the next few months and so urgently need renewing.


you won't be able to too, but you could spend a few happy hours trying to find any of my posts that the wanted to deny the Scotts the right to vote on independence.


you really must try to reconcile yourself with your parents and grandparents and the older generation.
I'm pretty sure they still love you, inspite of all your childish provocations.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

thank you for causing me to remember me that my passport runs out in the next few months and so urgently need renewing.


you won't be able to too, but you could spend a few happy hours trying to find any of my posts that the wanted to deny the Scotts the right to vote on independence.


you really must try to reconcile yourself with your parents and grandparents and the older generation.
I'm pretty sure they still love you, inspite of all your childish provocations.

Life is too short to argue with Claptons.

Good day!

S0litaire

CLAPTON wrote: »

by closer integration you would mean e.g. integration of legal systems : i.e. no more trial by jury of your peers?

Actually it would not change much as since the days of Magna Cater. As a peer is just someone in the same standing as yourself. (Originally it was meant to keep Kings and commoners from being on a jury of a Nobel and vice-versa.)

So a Jury of your peers can be said to also include anyone from the EU as we are all EU citizens. as well as UK citizens.

RJP33

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Because, exactly like with Scotland, the "Out" brigade are fervently promising the electorate that we can leave and suffer no incoveninence at all.

Not quite the same is it? Scotland has roughly a 7bn deficit with the rest of the UK, the EU sells more goods in the UK than we sell there.

There will be change but we’re in a strong position and if for some reason free trade isn’t negotiated we’ll profit from tariffs.

kabayiri wrote: »

The idea that we have some prime role if we stay in the Union is unrealistic. We are just a member state.

Quite, we have virtually no influence now regardless. They just ignore Cameron.

And today because EU migration is so high we have this nonsense - http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/10/nurses-to-be-first-group-affected-by-plan-to-reduce-skilled-migration

CLAPTON

S0litaire wrote: »

Actually it would not change much as since the days of Magna Cater. As a peer is just someone in the same standing as yourself. (Originally it was meant to keep Kings and commoners from being on a jury of a Nobel and vice-versa.)

So a Jury of your peers can be said to also include anyone from the EU as we are all EU citizens. as well as UK citizens.

no idea what you are referring to

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

France and Germany don't need Britain to have Polish plumbers,

Germany has been the beneficiary of cheap Eastern European labour for many years. As until recently had no minimum wage policy. When the wall came down. West Germans moved east, bought a lot property in places like Dresden. Used a lot of Czech/Polish labour to refurbish it. As was cheaper than using local labour.

antrobus

RJP33 wrote: »

...There will be change but we’re in a strong position and if for some reason free trade isn’t negotiated we’ll profit from tariffs...

How would we "profit from tariffs"? You do realise, don't you, that the cost of tariffs imposed on imports would be borne by UK consumers?

RJP33

antrobus wrote: »

How would we "profit from tariffs"? You do realise, don't you, that the cost of tariffs imposed on imports would be borne by UK consumers?

Yes, for EU goods. Having decided to leave I assume in the 2 year negotiating period, unless our government is insane (let’s put that to one side here), we’ll have signed a bunch of free trade deals with non-EU countries giving consumers access to cheaper goods than we have now.

Then if the EU wants to impose tariffs on our goods, and they won’t since they sell more to us so it’s not in their interests, we reciprocate and consumers make their choice.

Canada for example makes a packet out of tariffs.

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

How would we "profit from tariffs"? You do realise, don't you, that the cost of tariffs imposed on imports would be borne by UK consumers?

if that were so, why then does the EU impose tariffs on imports to the EU area?