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  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »

    So fewer than a fifth of voters want out. A Brexit isn't going to happen. Betfair aren't even running a market on it! (All you do to run a market is ask Betfair so not a single person has even been bothered enough to get a market going).

    Should be less divisive than the Scottish referendum because the proportion not giving a !!!! either way is quite high.

    Cameron's negotiations (whatever the outcome) will be 'successful', Labour will be campaigning to stay, so will the SNP, so will the Lib Dems. All seems a waste of time, effort, money and a diversion from important stuff when the outcome is known to high degree of confidence.

    Maybe we should think of other referendums to have where the only things asked are questions to which the answers are known in advance.
  • chiefie
    chiefie Posts: 406 Forumite
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    Brexit = nexit ; the deals will be done, helped by the current Greece issue.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    wotsthat wrote: »
    Should be less divisive than the Scottish referendum because the proportion not giving a !!!! either way is quite high.

    Cameron's negotiations (whatever the outcome) will be 'successful', Labour will be campaigning to stay, so will the SNP, so will the Lib Dems. All seems a waste of time, effort, money and a diversion from important stuff when the outcome is known to high degree of confidence.

    Maybe we should think of other referendums to have where the only things asked are questions to which the answers are known in advance.

    would there be meaningful negotiations with Europe without a referendum?
  • bigheadxx
    bigheadxx Posts: 3,047 Forumite
    BobQ wrote: »
    A new word for the English Language.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/19/news/companies/deutsche-bank-brexit/

    Cameron is about to reap what he has sowed



    The article is bunching two things into the title, Brexit and regulation, but the article itself is mainly about concerns of further regulation under a Labour government. The HSBC story also states that it is regulation in the UK that is the main problem and it is in fact considering relocating to Hong Kong, not another part of Europe. HSBC paid £1.1 billion additional tax as part of the "banking levy", because it is UK based and more than half of this is on money made outside of the UK.


    The truth is the UK has always been the centre of international finance and will continue to be so providing we don't over burden these companies with tax and regulation.
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    wotsthat wrote: »
    Should be less divisive than the Scottish referendum because the proportion not giving a !!!! either way is quite high.

    Cameron's negotiations (whatever the outcome) will be 'successful', Labour will be campaigning to stay, so will the SNP, so will the Lib Dems. All seems a waste of time, effort, money and a diversion from important stuff when the outcome is known to high degree of confidence.

    Maybe we should think of other referendums to have where the only things asked are questions to which the answers are known in advance.

    TBH I don't see this as being particularly divisive either. I reckon it's a beltway issue for most people.

    I suspect support for an exit will mostly be amongst older people who associate Europe with war rather than sunny holidays. Most people just don't care enough: if you don't care you vote for the status quo or just stay home.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    would there be meaningful negotiations with Europe without a referendum?

    The referendum / negotiations (whether meaningful or not) came about because Cameron didn't want Eurosceptic backbenchers disrupting the election campaign and he wanted to get one over on UKIP at the same time.

    Nothing more than a tool to achieve a political aim and it's proven to be a success.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    wotsthat wrote: »
    The referendum / negotiations (whether meaningful or not) came about because Cameron didn't want Eurosceptic backbenchers disrupting the election campaign and he wanted to get one over on UKIP at the same time.

    Nothing more than a tool to achieve a political aim and it's proven to be a success.

    that may indeed be true.

    but that doesn't change the fact that there will be a significant negotiation with Europe : I doubt that would have happened if there was not the threat of UK leaving.
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    that may indeed be true.

    but that doesn't change the fact that there will be a significant negotiation with Europe : I doubt that would have happened if there was not the threat of UK leaving.

    It's hard to see what that is meaningful can be renegotiated. The big treaties (freedom of movement, single market, European Commission etc) aren't going anywhere.

    What can Cameron really get? Keeping the pound and the foot? More importantly, does anyone give a damn?
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    Generali wrote: »
    It's hard to see what that is meaningful can be renegotiated. The big treaties (freedom of movement, single market, European Commission etc) aren't going anywhere.

    What can Cameron really get? Keeping the pound and the foot? More importantly, does anyone give a damn?



    Do you think that the EC has any defects at all?

    Are there no changes you consider that would be beneficial?

    But, I do think that many people give a damn although they may not articulate their concerns very effectively.

    Are there many other issues that deserve more government time over the next few years?
  • Jon_B_2
    Jon_B_2 Posts: 832 Forumite
    500 Posts
    Yep. I'm voting to stay in, but a smart move to announce this referendum as it has given Cameron a great opportunity to renogotiate some of the poorer aspects of the EU.

    The UK will clearly vote to stay in, so we will have our cake and eat it.
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