Nuisance pub next door

Paul_Baldwin

Hi, matto, yes, people did have the right to drink in the beergarden at the back as far as I know
My councillor is aware of the problem.
I'm still waiting on the outcome of the paint so havent approached a solicitor as yet

Paul_Baldwin

Update.

Just had a meeting with Punch. He asked whether it was a party wall. I said I didnt know. I also asked that if it was and they had a right to paint the wall in the wrong materials causing damage the paint would say. He said "I'm not saying that"
The councils environ health has been round, they have no objections to the shelter apparently even tho it is against the guidelines.
The planning enforcement officer has visited and has found that it doesnt contravene the planning given, even tho I recieved an email from planning that contained a letter to the pub saying that it did.
Punch can see nothing wrong with people drinking out there till 1am. I have asked them to erect signage as a token gesture for noise to be limited after 11pm.
Have also asked him to see if the chiller unit can be adjusted so it doesnt go on and off all night long.
Not at all happy really, feel thoroughly let down by the council especially

pinkshoes

Could you not open your side window and play celine dion at full volume until 1am? that should make most people move! Or maybe keep the window closed and have a machine that periodically drops stink bombs into the alley (those little glass pellets that smell SOOOOOOOOOO bad!).

I can't believe the council haven't put a stop to this!! Keep fighting it though, because it blatently shouldn't be allowed! (plus if you ever wanted to move, it would also make it very difficult to sell your property!).

Paul_Baldwin

lol If I run out of options totally it may come to that
The council appear to have made a U turn somewhere, Ive seen a copy of a letter sent out that informs the pub that the shelter is no good in its current form and needs to be put right. Now I am told by Punch that they are happy with it?

Biggles

Paul_Baldwin wrote: »

Just had a meeting with Punch. He asked whether it was a party wall. I said I didnt know. I also asked that if it was and they had a right to paint the wall in the wrong materials causing damage the paint would say. He said "I'm not saying that"
The councils environ health has been round, they have no objections to the shelter apparently even tho it is against the guidelines.
The planning enforcement officer has visited and has found that it doesnt contravene the planning given, even tho I recieved an email from planning that contained a letter to the pub saying that it did.
Punch can see nothing wrong with people drinking out there till 1am. I have asked them to erect signage as a token gesture for noise to be limited after 11pm.
Have also asked him to see if the chiller unit can be adjusted so it doesnt go on and off all night long.
Not at all happy really, feel thoroughly let down by the council especially

Do you only have Punch's word that the Council are happy with it?

Sounds like you still need to hear from the Council yourself, especially why they appear to have approved a smoking shelter that is against the guidelines, why they appear to allow people to drink outside (in an area that was not previously used for drinking) till 1am and why they haven't answered your concerns about the planning application.

It's probably worth taking the matter of the chiller to environmental health too, if it's worse after the refit, I would have thought they had an obligation to minimise nuisance to neighbours, not increase it....

BrandNewDay

It really is time for you to put some speakers in an open window, playing something really un-fun. Like fire and brimstone preaching or really bad modern poetry or something.

olly300

Biggles wrote: »

Do you only have Punch's word that the Council are happy with it?

Sounds like you still need to hear from the Council yourself, especially why they appear to have approved a smoking shelter that is against the guidelines, why they appear to allow people to drink outside (in an area that was not previously used for drinking) till 1am and why they haven't answered your concerns about the planning application.

It's probably worth taking the matter of the chiller to environmental health too, if it's worse after the refit, I would have thought they had an obligation to minimise nuisance to neighbours, not increase it....

Have to agree.

Stop being so nice.

Ask yourself this- Why would Punch's lawyer tell you the truth? Punch want to make as much money as possible for their shareholders and you complaining stops them. The lawyer has a large corporate client, who they can keep longer if they successfuly get rid of small people like you.

I would ask for in writing for written confirmation from the envirnomental health that the smoking shelter doesn't breach regulations.

I suggest you log the noise incidences separately as per information on your council website. And then send monthly reports of the noise incidents to the envirnomental health pointing out how it breaches the licensing regulations. (You need to read up and quote exactly what law they are breaching.)

Complain about each problem separately to the correct person in each council department even if it's the same department. The council will be able to cope with this because they have different people dealing with different things but Punch may not as it's harder for one person to keep track of multiple complaints.

In future if Punch or anyone says something like your wall is not a party wall just say it is. As a lay person you have the priviledge of being able to make mistakes on legal matters. Once you have a solicitor advising you have to be more careful.

robwend

what a waste of typing hartcjhart. if you have no good imput why type anything ,or is that coz you havnt got a life? as you seem to be chucking insults around you tw*t

wherediditallgo

hartcjhart wrote: »

:mad: :mad: SO you buy a house next to a pub,THAT HAS BEEN THERE 400 years,and now you want to complain,get a bleedin life,why buy the house,dont start that !!!! that the pub was ok,but now dont like noise/smoking/drinking/
THEN dont buy a house next to a pub,:eek: :mad:

better than moaning is to get a life:mad:

and that goes for all you lot 'advising' the pub was there first

The OP didn't have a big issue with the pub originally - he says it's been his local for over 17 years, he's been very tolerant of the pub in the past & has never complained about the pub before. However, he wasn't to know the law was going to change & put him in a position where large groups of people would congregate right next to his home because they were no longer allowed to smoke in the pub, & that the pub would then want to provide heating, light & shelter for them within a few feet of his door. It's not like buying a home near an airport, where you know that planes already fly over some properties - airports grow, & it's only a matter of if/when they'll be allowed to fly over your property as well. This is something no-one except planning departments could have foreseen would be a problem, & when you have an establishment that is so inconsiderate as to think a group of people making noise outside your home at 1am should be acceptable to you, you have every right to complain.

The OP seems to have done everything in his power to resolve this amicably, & I personally think that if he'd been a bit harder on Punch & the council this would have been sorted out already. But he's the one living there, not me, & he realises he's still going to have them as neighbours until either he moves or they do. However he gets it sorted out, he has every right to complain & keep complaining until it is.

nobblyned

hartcjhart wrote: »

:mad: :mad: SO you buy a house next to a pub,THAT HAS BEEN THERE 400 years,and now you want to complain,get a bleedin life,why buy the house,dont start that !!!! that the pub was ok,but now dont like noise/smoking/drinking/
THEN dont buy a house next to a pub,:eek: :mad:

better than moaning is to get a life:mad:

and that goes for all you lot 'advising' the pub was there first

It helps to read the thread before being such a pr*ck