Vehicle Control Services Sheffield - small or large company?

arthurx1234

BigAlC wrote: »

Found it. Well I found the search site. Nothing relating to any planning permission for erection of signs. The plot thickens.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/11499/326679.pdf

The above leaflet explains that not all signs need planning permission.
Also our "over worked and underfunded" councils may not be aware these signs are present so there may be no record ( for the moment)

Best of luck hope you nail this lot

Arthur

Northlakes

Whether planning consent is required is a matter for the planning department but generally if the area isn't viewable from the public highway and is enclosed permission is not required.
If the signs are visible from a public road and greater in size than 0.3 meter square permission is required. see the Barrow in Furness thread,

moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5275331&highlight=barrow

From there you will deduce my arguments why a contract cannot be formed by unlawfully placed signage and is contrary to the BPA CoP and the Consumer regs 2008.

BigAlC

Well the signs can be seen from a public highway, read would be another matter.

It is enclosed (one way in, one way out for vehicles), pedestrians can enter and exit via multiple pathways.

Signs I can state almost categorically that they are over .30 msq. Will double check though.

Interesting excerpt from the original application:
3.41 - At present the existing level of parking provision in the area is restricted with only limited on street parking available for a maximum of 2 hours. As such, the car park will be available to those visiting the other commercial premises in the area, thus increasing the parking provision for the locality. Indeed, no onerous restrictions will be imposed on the car park to allow sufficient time for linked trips for those also wishing to visit other retailers in the area.

BigAlC

Just a little snippet of news, I've inquired further with the planning office. My inquiry has now been forwarded for the attention of the enforcement team.

I wonder what they will find....

Folkiedave

I know this car park well - I occasionally use the Aldi there. Of course there are other retailers in the area you can point to - besides those in the Shopping Area.

I drew the attention of the planning department to this site when the signs went up but that was before the Barrow decision, so I hope you included it in your query to them. They turned me down - not bothered.

I might try again - with them - since this is clearly a big money spinner for VCS/Excel.

Am I right in thinking the wording on the signs say something about a £10.00 charge even when your appeal is successful? :-)

BigAlC

Folkiedave wrote: »

I know this car park well - I occasionally use the Aldi there. Of course there are other retailers in the area you can point to - besides those in the Shopping Area.

I drew the attention of the planning department to this site when the signs went up but that was before the Barrow decision, so I hope you included it in your query to them. They turned me down - not bothered.

I might try again - with them - since this is clearly a big money spinner for VCS/Excel.

Am I right in thinking the wording on the signs say something about a £10.00 charge even when your appeal is successful? :-)

I didn't mention Barrow as I had no knowledge of it, could you expand on this, and I'll ping them an email regarding it now, just to gee them up a bit.

The part in bold. Yes, even if you succeed you still need to pay £10.

Umkomaas

BigAlC wrote: »

I didn't mention Barrow as I had no knowledge of it, could you expand on this, and I'll ping them an email regarding it now, just to gee them up a bit.

The part in bold. Yes, even if you succeed you still need to pay £10.

see here:

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/barrow-council-compensate-motorist-for.html

bod1467

BigAlC wrote: »

The part in bold. Yes, even if you succeed you still need to pay £10.

I call your £10 and raise you Unfair Contract Term.

Folkiedave

I think their chances of going to court with that on the sign are nil.

But keep bugging the Planning Department.

That Barrow decision could be a key. (There's the Parking Eye sight at Aldi on St. Mary's Gate - I might have a go at them on that one).

Northlakes

The purpose regarding signage is to have another defence point not necessarily to get the PPC fined which as you state is virtually no chance. Planning departments have to first require that a PPC submits a planning application.