Why Are Young People Encouraged NOT to Label Anyone?

Marisco

j.e.j. wrote: »

cisgender??

Now I've heard it all :rotfl:

I had to look it up!! :eek: I must have had a sheltered life as I don't know what pan gender is either!!!

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Gloomendoom wrote: »

By a very narrow section of society as a whole.

Unless you studied Chemistry at school; and then you should remember cis and trans refers to the arrangement of chemicals within molecules.

Otherwise.. I think labels are fine; if it's a label you've given yourself. Giving other people labels is the job of qualified professionals; not busybodies

(I'm also well aware of the complex issues involved in biological and genetic determination of sex and gender)

Jagraf

So should we remove all descriptive words for fear of it being a "label".

dragonette

I'm happy to label myself as cis, but that's the difference. I label myself as a shorthand for others. Someone else imposing a label can be more iffy

j.e.j.

tea_lover wrote: »

Right ok then, you must be using only the words that have been mined out of the ground.

I could bore you with the history of languages and language families, proto-Indo-European, and so on but I won't. It'll probably fall on deaf ears anyway :cool:

lostinrates

Edwardia wrote: »

Gender dysmorphia is basically a brain of one gender and body of the other and it happens in the womb, caused by incorrect hormone levels. Children can realise that they aren't seeing the body they expect, even at two years old.

Sam Smith has said that he basically came out as gay to his mother at the age of four

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a614205/sam-smith-i-came-out-as-gay-when-i-was-4-years-old.html#~p7nzKWrfsGFbWZ

So when parents make assumptions about their children and start putting them into all that pink for a girl blue for a boy stuff as soon as they're born, they can just be making life harder for themselves and their child, later on.

I knew that I was different aged eight, three years before I got SexEd but even when I realised what the difference was, there was no same-gender SexEd at all.

When same-sex relationships have been legal in England and Wales since 1967, Scotland since 1980 and N Ireland since 1982 and when same-sex civil marriage is available everywhere but NI, there's now no excuse for leaving any kids - however much of a minority they are - clueless.

I don't agree with forcing kids into things they aren't happy with - including gender neutral clothing if they want pink and frilly though.

Humans aren't baked beans, we don't need labels. Labels make it easier for other people to take an irrational dislike based on ignorance and start bullying.

I'd be quite happy with non-heterosexual myself.

I find it genuinely fascinating how differently we view this. And wonderful point for non argumentative discussion. I don't think its the labels that the bullying. I agree however, they make good easy shorthand for use in bullying. I find the labels useful, though sometimes inaccurate for communication to talk and make contact and understand similarity and difference with others I meet, and indeed with myself at different times of life.


As for parenting, it think parents have to make choices and assumptions about all kinds of things along the way and are bound to get some things wrong simply by a law of averages. A parent who tried to get everything carefully right might have a child who felt annoyed with the 'too hard' approach and felt they would have been better served by less shades of grey upbringing at times. I'd guess these wrong choices are as important to us in choosing our adult paths and outlooks and validating our own outlooks as other happenings in life.

BrassicWoman

I find the views of those who are concerned about *themselves and what they are called* are opposed to those concerned about *others feeling bullied and marginalised.*

To me it looks very clear cut that it's self centered people vs those who can empathise with others on this thread.

My personal belief is that those in non marginalised groups have a moral responsibility to look out for those in postions of less priviledge. I am sad that it is not shared. I am glad we have a number of more liberal and caring views around the place too!

In the meantime, it's rather like talking to my dad, who is of a different, long ago world, and has lost the ability to change his viewpoint on anything. So I don't bother debating with him, as his mind is totally shut.

egoode

I found this thread quite interesting as my father came out as transgender 3 years ago. I'd never really thought how it would feel to be labelled a boy when you feel like a girl and this feeling was there from a very young age, Dad had specific memories from kindergarten of feeling more like a girl than a boy. It has taken over 60 years before the body now matches the brain but I wonder how much easier it would have been to do this if society didn't assume because you have boy genitals you are automatically a boy.

peachyprice

anotheruser wrote: »

I really don't understand this.

There seems to be a general consensus to encourage kids not to label anyone particularly, but why is this?

A good example is the parents who raised a gener-neutral child so the child "would not be influenced by society's prejudices".

While this is an extreme example, I don't understand why kids are discouraged from labelling someone gay, straight, boy, girl... among other things.

Surely a label is just a term used to describe someone? For instance, if someone has killed someone else, they are a killer... surely?

If we had a cupboard fill of jam jars with no labels, we'd end up having pickled onions on toast.

So I don't understand people who say we shouldn't label people.

The most ironic thing of all? Parents are so eager to label their children, how many people have posted on here about perceived peculiar behaviour only to be told it must be ASD/ADHD etc., and to get a diagnosis ASAP!

lostinrates

BrassicWoman wrote: »

To me it looks very clear cut that it's self centered people vs those who can empathise with others on this thread.

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Are those labels?