Speed Cameras: what offence would this be?

JustinR1979

londonTiger wrote: »

to be fair everyone had wild guesses on carriageways - because most people just follow the speed sign which can be 40, 50 or no speed limit where people do 70 unless they have a dashcam which would alert them that the limit is 60 as it's a carriageway and not a motorway.

If it's not a motorway it's 30 unless otherwise stated.
Sounds like you didn't learn a lot.
Do you know what a dual carriageway is, as you haven't mentioned one?

Cornucopia

londonTiger wrote: »

I've been on a speed awareness course ... where people do 70 unless they have a dashcam which would alert them that the limit is 60 as it's a carriageway and not a motorway.

The irony: you've been on a supposedly helpful speed awareness course, but still struggle to identify a single carriageway road from a motorway.

Motorways and Dual Carriageways are 70 limit for cars unless repeater signage states otherwise.

Single carriageways are 60 limit for cars, unless either there is repeater signage stating otherwise, OR there is a system of street lighting (in which case the limit is 30).

Spicy_McHaggis

JustinR1979 wrote: »

If it's not a motorway it's 30 unless otherwise stated.
Sounds like you didn't learn a lot.
Do you know what a dual carriageway is, as you haven't mentioned one?

Come on cut him some slack.

A road is any speed.
A carriageway is 60.
A motorway is 70.

Simples.

But then they're all roads.

JustinR1979

Cornucopia wrote: »

The irony: you've been on a supposedly helpful speed awareness course, but still struggle to identify a single carriageway road from a motorway.

Motorways and Dual Carriageways are 70 limit for cars unless repeater signage states otherwise.

Single carriageways are 60 limit for cars, unless either there is repeater signage stating otherwise, OR there is a system of street lighting (in which case the limit is 30).

Single and dual carriageways are 30 unless stated otherwise....

brat

Sec 22A RTA may also be a consideration - "causing danger to other road users by ...interfering with traffic equipment"
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/22A

The difficulty within this offence is that it may not be obvious to the "offender" that this type of interference was likely to be seen as dangerous.

But the offence carries a max seven year imprisonment, so it might be worth worrying about it prior to committing the dreadful deed...;)

Cornucopia

JustinR1979 wrote: »

Single and dual carriageways are 30 unless stated otherwise....

I'm talking about identifying the limit from the characteristics of the road, not the terminal signs.

And I'm not sure you're right, anyway. I think it comes down to whether there is street lighting, certainly on single carriageways.

North_Yorkshire_Police wrote:

If there are no signs and it is in a built up area and there are street lights present (the street lights must be no more than 200 yard apart whether they are on the same or opposite sides of the road) the speed limit is 30mph.



If there are no street lights and it is not in a built up area (i.e. a country road) then the speed limit is 60mph...


If you are on a dual carriageway and driving a car or motorcycle the national limit is 70 mph.

Spicy_McHaggis

Cornucopia wrote: »

I'm talking about identifying the limit from the characteristics of the road, not the terminal signs.

And I'm not sure you're right, anyway. I think it comes down to whether there is street lighting, certainly on single carriageways.

You can have an unlit single carriageway road that is 30mph.

JustinR1979

Cornucopia wrote: »

I'm talking about identifying the limit from the characteristics of the road, not the terminal signs.

And I'm not sure you're right, anyway. I think it comes down to whether there is street lighting, certainly on single carriageways.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

Cornucopia

brat wrote: »

Sec 22A RTA may also be a consideration - "causing danger to other road users by ...interfering with traffic equipment"
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/22A

The difficulty within this offence is that it may not be obvious to the "offender" that this type of interference was likely to be seen as dangerous.

Indeed, and this phrase "...in such circumstances that it would be obvious to a reasonable person that to do so would be dangerous" would be likely to cause the prosecution some problems, I would have thought.

I mean it's not like the authorities never "bag" a speed camera, is it?

Looks like this is not a new idea:

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/11/1175.asp

Cornucopia

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

You can have an unlit single carriageway road that is 30mph.

Only with repeater signage.