Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

kabayiri

zagubov wrote: »

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The SNP MPs look like ordinary honest common real human beings that have been drafted into parliament like some kind of governmental jury duty, and are taking thier roles seriously compared with the identikit blue/red/yellow-tie-wearing UK ciphers the London-based parties favour. :T

At the risk of stating the obvious could I just remind people this ...

London IS NOT England !!

I think we forget this small point when 99.5% of housing related threads focus on the housing mess in London.

Things are much more normal up here in the NW, and I daresay the other regions too.

Whilst the SNP continue their aggressive politicking there is a quiet devolution of real power taking place amongst the Manchester councils.

Surprisingly, this has been achieved without the need to threaten to renege on debts or killing cuddly foxes.

I really hope this progressive more subtle form of devolving power is a big success. If it is then I reckon Mr Osborne and co will be only too happy to throw more money this way.

kabayiri

elantan wrote: »

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With all of that said I still honestly believe they are the best thing for the UK just now, not just Scotland, they are shaking politics up and making people think " what do I want my country to be" and that has to be good, people should be looking around them and atleast seeing if they like what they see instead of blindly going along in life and moaning but doing nothing.

We live in interesting times politically, alot of Scotland has woken up to whats going on locally nationally and globally, would be even more exciting if the rest of the UK did as well

IMO the SNP have solved NOTHING.

There were so many questions left hanging during the referendum lead-up which left an uneasy taste in the mouth for normal voters.

Have many of these been resolved? Hardly.

Have the SNP negotiated an agreement to use sterling in some formal arrangement with BOE? Nope.

What about the thorny issue of Europe membership post separation? Don't think so.

How about a detailed plan to cope with the withdrawal of any subsidy overnight? Nope.

They are masters of deception; classic politicians; nothing more.

They can't even be honest on taxation. They know that taxes would have to rise if oil revenue remains subdued post independence; yet they won't admit this.

I don't want any of this new age politics down here thanks. It's more like old fashioned broken socialism.

elantan

Ok then ... SNP BAD .... that better for you ?

Generali

elantan wrote: »

Ok then ... SNP BAD .... that better for you ?

I think it's the pretense that the SNP are some sort of party that sits outside the grubby malaise of politics that rankles given the fact that the SNP have lied again and again through both the referendum and GE campaigns.

They are trying to drive a wedge between Scotland and England to force Scotland out of the Union at almost any cost. It's important to remember that the SNP isn't Scotland, doesn't even represent half the electorate and had its flagship policy roundly rejected by the Scottish people.

They may reckon they're Johnny Big Potatoes right now but they're just the same as any other party. Okay at the moment they don't have many career politicians but any future Scottish career politician worth her salt will be lining up an internship at SNP HQ as I type.

kabayiri

elantan wrote: »

Ok then ... SNP BAD .... that better for you ?

Just like some people in Scotland are mistrustful of politicians in Westminster there are people south of the border who are mistrustful of the SNP and their plans.

Just one case in point :

The day after independence the subsidy paid to Scotland stops.

I am suspicious that the SNP will try and engineer in some form of compensation from rUK to cater for this shortfall. I am opposed to funding an independent state.

Of course, if the SNP have a plan to reduce this formal subsidy from 8bn to zero over the course of this parliament then my concerns are void.

Do they have a formal plan to reduce the subsidy? All I heard from their manifesto was a commitment to spend more, under a vague uncosted anti-austerity banner.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

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They may reckon they're Johnny Big Potatoes right now but they're just the same as any other party. Okay at the moment they don't have many career politicians but any future Scottish career politician worth her salt will be lining up an internship at SNP HQ as I type.

They are most welcome to prove us doubters wrong.

If they make maximum use of their current resources and turn Scotland into an economic reference case I shall have nothing but admiration.

I just don't see anything new. Health outcomes are still rubbish in Scotland despite the health budget being devolved for some time now.

elantan

Honestly it gets boring after a while ... so best just to say SNP BAAAAAADDDDD and make some of you feel better

elantan

Generali wrote: »

I think it's the pretense that the SNP are some sort of party that sits outside the grubby malaise of politics that rankles given the fact that the SNP have lied again and again through both the referendum and GE campaigns.

They are trying to drive a wedge between Scotland and England to force Scotland out of the Union at almost any cost. It's important to remember that the SNP isn't Scotland, doesn't even represent half the electorate and had its flagship policy roundly rejected by the Scottish people.

They may reckon they're Johnny Big Potatoes right now but they're just the same as any other party. Okay at the moment they don't have many career politicians but any future Scottish career politician worth her salt will be lining up an internship at SNP HQ as I type.

Ahem 50.4% of the elctorate in the GE ... how many did the Tories get again? and I didnt even vote for em

Generali

elantan wrote: »

Ahem 50.4% of the elctorate in the GE ... how many did the Tories get again? and I didnt even vote for em

No, they got 50.4% of votes.

The electorate in Scotland (those registered to vote) was over 4,000,000

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-scotland-32333215

The SNP got 1.45million votes. Something over a third of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP.

The Tories got 11.3 million votes. That's why they formed the Government.

elantan

and what % was that again?