Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

( SNP were damned if they did vote, and damned if they didn't re fox hunting.. may as well have made the best of it ).

Fox hunting is on a free vote. Ms Sturgeon looked straight into the camera and lied when she said that the SNP would not vote in Parliament on fox hunting in England and Wales. She damned herself with her own lies. She didn't obfuscate or imply a position, she directly stated that the SNP would not vote on English fox hunting and just a couple of months later directly stated that they would.

Just as the SNP lied about the fiscal position of an independent Scotland. They knew full well that an independent Scotland would be an impoverished one, as they subsequently admitted.

They will choose any form of lie and deceit in order to achieve their single-minded aim of an independent Scotland and ultimate power for themselves no matter what the cost to the people of Scotland.

The idea that the SNP is somehow 'above' the petty politics of Westminster is risible and at some point the Scottish people will realise they've been sold a pup.

While we're on the subject of the SNP being full of crap, how does the SNP square the circle of being against cuts whilst reducing real spending on the NHS when it is increasing in England? The increase in NHS spending in England is automatically reflected in the block grant so the money is there to be spent but clearly the SNP has other priorities.

http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7366

Between 2009-10 and 2015-16 spending on the NHS in England will, on currently announced plans, have risen by about 4% in real terms despite an overall fall of 13% in English departmental spending.....

But the Scottish government has chosen to protect the NHS in Scotland slightly less than it has been protected in England. Spending on the NHS in Scotland has fallen by 1%.

It seems very strange that the Tories can afford to spend more each year on the NHS but the SNP chooses not to despite having a huge amount of extra money at its disposal and the appalling health outcomes in Scotland compared to England.

Life expectancy varies significantly across the UK – from 75.9 in Scotland to 78.6 in England for men, and from 80.4 in Scotland to 82.6 in England for women. Spending on health services in the UK more than doubled in cash terms in the last decade. The rate of increase has been broadly similar in all four nations but spending per person continues to vary. In 2010-11, despite devoting a higher proportion of total public spending to health, England spent the least on health per person.

http://www.nao.org.uk/report/healthcare-across-the-uk-a-comparison-of-the-nhs-in-england-scotland-wales-and-northern-ireland/

The decisions of the SNP are contributing to an average life expectancy of a Scot being more than 2 years less than an English person. That's despite GDP and average incomes being broadly the same and Scotland having more money at her disposal to spend on health!

skintmacflint

zagubov wrote: »

I try to keep as informed as I can be about politics north of the Tweed, but while the SNP has no foolproof way of keeping out weirdos, bigots, charisma vacuums, malcontents, oxygen thieves and knowledge-base non-possessors, it does have one unusual asset - the remorseless scrutiny of a universally hostile media which would be delighted to catch them out with poor performance/bad behaviour/ malpractice/ criminal tendencies/whatever.

Pretty much makes them behave as if they're on trial all the time and that what they do matters. The other parties don't have this. Maybe it shouldn't have an effect on them but I reckon it keeps them upping their game in a way that the dinosaur unionist parties don't.;)

While you might think so, it's not the case up here. Anything which is printed in MSM up here which is remotely critical of SNP , is immediately denounced as lies, lies and more damned lies by their supporters. Before they take to Twitter to vent their outrage at such disinformation, etc etc.

So basically SNP can for the moment do very much as they please up here overall. Only a small minority of SNP or Yes supporters are willing to allow themselves the luxury of not agreeing with SNP on some actions or policies. And rarely publicly, unless they're happy to spend the next few days deleting a barrage of insults from Cybernats off their social media pages.

kabayiri

zagubov wrote: »

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Pretty much makes them behave as if they're on trial all the time and that what they do matters. The other parties don't have this. Maybe it shouldn't have an effect on them but I reckon it keeps them upping their game in a way that the dinosaur unionist parties don't.;)

Every current party in power since the GFC and for some time into the future will be on trial and under scrutiny.

The debt / deficit position acts like a great big litmus indicator as to the state of the economy.

The last government failed their debt targets - I was critical.

If this government fails I think they deserve all the criticism they will receive.

The SNP anti-austerity-spend-more-even-than-labour deserved scrutiny and clearly had no traction down here.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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Perhaps your should wait a bit longer before expecting a devolved govt with very limited economic powers to instantly turn into some sort of ecomomic powerhouse just yet. I'm not quite sure why exactly you think this would happen given the limitations and the fact you know a bit about how economics work. However you seem convinced of it.

How puzzling then that a bunch of Manchester councils have managed to support the development of Manchester airport into a truly international airport.

It is possible to support the growth of local business and skills without complete devolution.

I suspect you will be happier giving excuses as to why the SNP can't achieve things. That is so negative.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

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The decisions of the SNP are contributing to an average life expectancy of a Scot being more than 2 years less than an English person. That's despite GDP and average incomes being broadly the same and Scotland having more money at her disposal to spend on health!

Nothing short of a disgrace.

Now that the SNP have pretty much absolute control up in Scotland they will rise to the challenge and achieve more than the rest of us with the same health budget.

...or they could find another excuse.

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

Nothing short of a disgrace.

Now that the SNP have pretty much absolute control up in Scotland they will rise to the challenge and achieve more than the rest of us with the same health budget.

...or they could find another excuse.

Worse than that, they have cut real health spending year on year. Worse still, once you take into account expensive gimmicks like free parking at hospitals and free prescriptions the amount of money being spent on actually curing the sick is falling even faster.

Vote SNP: Vote Death. Not so catchy.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You fail to explain why the Scots keep voting for them if anything above is even half true. They have no support in the media. Scottish or otherwise.

Oh yes I did, they have been deceived by the SNP.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Oh yes I did, they have been deceived by the SNP.

What, all of them ? All stupid enough to be 'deceived'. And that's your considered opinion on the voting patterns of the Scots electorate over the last 8 years is it ? Because if it is, it's a pretty awful and slightly insulting explanation.

Thursday 16 July 2015

The SNP is still winning support from Labour and Nicola Sturgeon is poised for another landslide victory in next year’s Holyrood election, a new poll has found.

The Nationalists are poised to take an astonishing 60% vote share in the May election, with Labour flatlining on 20% and the Tories on 15%, according the TNS survey....
....The SNP lead among younger voters continues to be especially strong – 73% of those aged 16-34 who express a party preference say they intend to vote SNP, against 12% backing Labour.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/poll-snp-poised-for-historic-third-holyrood-term-1-3832347

I think you might be deceiving yourself somewhat.

elantan

Hey Shake good to see you back, hope you had fun

zagubov

We've gone in a big circle here. Loads of people on this thread seem to think that Scots fit into two categories.
55% are too poor to live without subsidies and voted NO.
45% are too stupid to see through SNP lies and voted YES.
I suspect they think the non-voters were too wee to reach the ballot box.