Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

She did what all politicians do. Weighed up her options. She won't be the first or the last to do a u-turn. However, unlike, for example, Nick Clegg on tuition fees, it's very unlikely the SNP will suffer at the ballot box because of it.

While the SNP had 6 MP's. Not voting on English only issues didn't make much of a difference. With 56 however, it's a different ballpark. And anyway, am sure EVEL will be along soon to nip any of that nonsense in the bud. But the Tories would be extremely unwise, imo, to link the issue of Fox Hunting as a strong argument in favour EVEL in the next few months. Very unwise indeed.

As we both agree, the SNP will vote on English issues when they see fit (e.g. when it suits then electorally in Scotland or simply to do harm to the English or whatever).

Now that is an excellent argument for English only votes on mainly English matters.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Never mind Zagubov , looks like you'll soon be enjoying SNP acting and getting involved on your behalf in England and Wales after the summer recess.

Or at least according to an article in the Telegraph where Angus Robertson said

" as the effective opposition ( all 56 of them my words) , the party was no longer restricted to focussing on their traditional Scottish interests and would now tackle issues affecting other parts of England.

His 56 MPs will contact civic and business leaders in cities such as Leeds and Newcastle upon Tyne offering to work with them on issues such as getting high speed rail to the North.

It was their new strategy to engage with the rest of the UK in a way we've never been able in the past"

Imagine Leeds and Newcastle residents and their relevant MPs will be just delighted to get this new support at Westminster. Lol.

But don't get too excited as, their support won't be guaranteed, unless it fits the party central throw your toys out the pram agenda . Naturally it will also be subject to abrupt about change or U turn at very short notice. But you'll get a nice SNP explanation of an excuse if necessary.

Enjoy.

Oh I don't know. The SNP seem to be gaining fans south of the border.

Surge in English SNP members: 'the core message is very attractive'

Scottish National party is signing up more supporters south of the border, among them ex-Labour and Green activists seeking a bolder alternative...


...“There are thousands of us in England for whom the SNP’s core message on the economy is a very attractive one,” says Chevis, a one-time branch secretary for Labour in Battersea who joined the SNP after the independence referendum.
“Living in London I am obviously not wanting to break away from the UK, but I was impressed with the independence campaign and how it just seemed as if there was a ton of folk in Scotland who really believed that they could create a better, more social democratic nation.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/17/surge-english-snp-members-scottish-nationalist-party?CMP=share_btn_tw

Rich pickings of disillusioned Labour and Green voters ready to be 'engaged' if you ask me. Enjoy !

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oh I don't know. The SNP seem to be gaining fans south of the border.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/17/surge-english-snp-members-scottish-nationalist-party?CMP=share_btn_tw

Rich pickings of disillusioned Labour and Green voters ready to be 'engaged' if you ask me. Enjoy !

of course the SNP core message is attractive

what is wrong with borrowing more and not repaying debt?
borrowing more and and increasing benefits (mainly to the poor but also to rich parent and richer graduates too)

maybe the SNP could subsidise free holidays to Greece to see how borrowing can be done on a grand scale.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oh I don't know. The SNP seem to be gaining fans south of the border.

Rich pickings of disillusioned Labour and Green voters ready to be 'engaged' if you ask me. Enjoy !

Good can't wait. The sooner they do the faster they'll fall IMO. History is littered with failed and defunct organisations/companies who overstep their capabilities too soon.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

As we both agree, the SNP will vote on English issues when they see fit (e.g. when it suits then electorally in Scotland or simply to do harm to the English or whatever).

Now that is an excellent argument for English only votes on mainly English matters.

No-one has a problem with English votes for English only matters. Or at least they didn't. But you're trying to have it both ways. English MP's vote down every single amendment proposed to the Scotland Bill by Scottish MPs = 'Well that's what being part of the UK means'. Scottish MP's threaten to vote in English proposals = 'You can't do that, it's English only'. Come on now. Fair's fair.

There are consequences to EVEL being introduced the way it is being. Imo EVEL won't get passed in the HOC easily. Cameron has too many of even his own party against it. The consequences of a constitutional change on this scale, and removing the premise of all UK MPs sitting in Westminster 'as equals' are too far reaching. To do so by the 'back door' (standing orders ) without proper debate and scrutiny is lunacy. And most informed people will know that it's simply a way for the Tories to keep perpetual power in England, even if in future they aren't actually in power. Because as long as they have the majority of MP's in England, then they'll retain the majority of power within the UK and Westminster.

EVEL will either have to be watered down to practically nothing. Or else beefed up so that much it places the UK onto a path of much further separation. As long as there is Barnett and no meaningful range of powers for the devolved nations... EVEL will be a few MP's at a committee meeting, bored and rubber stamping 99% of proposed English law changes.. as impacting the other three nations and therefore 'not English only'..

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Good can't wait. The sooner they do the faster they'll fall IMO. History is littered with failed and defunct organisations/companies who overstep their capabilities too soon.

I don't think they're planning on standing for election in England just yet. Those people joined off their own backs, they like the policies.

elantan

All 56 SNP Mp's have stated they are donating their wage rise to charity....


Who wants to start the SNP Baaaaadddd on this one ?

Anyone ?

Rinoa

elantan wrote: »

All 56 SNP Mp's [STRIKE]have stated they are donating their wage rise[/STRIKE] have been ordered to donate their wage rise to charity....

Fixed that for you.

Still, it shows leadership from the top.

Talking of whom, Nicola receives around £140,000 apparently. Hope she's not too embarrassed.

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

All 56 SNP Mp's have stated they are donating their wage rise to charity....


Who wants to start the SNP Baaaaadddd on this one ?

Anyone ?

have they also said they will forgo the future pension provision that
accrues for the pension increase?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No-one has a problem with English votes for English only matters. Or at least they didn't. But you're trying to have it both ways. English MP's vote down every single amendment proposed to the Scotland Bill by Scottish MPs = 'Well that's what being part of the UK means'. Scottish MP's threaten to vote in English proposals = 'You can't do that, it's English only'. Come on now. Fair's fair.

There are consequences to EVEL being introduced the way it is being. Imo EVEL won't get passed in the HOC easily. Cameron has too many of even his own party against it. The consequences of a constitutional change on this scale, and removing the premise of all UK MPs sitting in Westminster 'as equals' are too far reaching. To do so by the 'back door' (standing orders ) without proper debate and scrutiny is lunacy. And most informed people will know that it's simply a way for the Tories to keep perpetual power in England, even if in future they aren't actually in power. Because as long as they have the majority of MP's in England, then they'll retain the majority of power within the UK and Westminster.

EVEL will either have to be watered down to practically nothing. Or else beefed up so that much it places the UK onto a path of much further separation. As long as there is Barnett and no meaningful range of powers for the devolved nations... EVEL will be a few MP's at a committee meeting, bored and rubber stamping 99% of proposed English law changes.. as impacting the other three nations and therefore 'not English only'..

Do you think that the English MPs should vote on the hunting laws in Scotland?
The rest follows immediately to anyone who isn't a faithful mindless acolyte of the true faith.

You can't intellectually have it both ways but why would that matter to an SNP supporter?