Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Froggitt

Fox hunting vote reminding the electorate why EVEL is required.

skintmacflint

elantan wrote: »

Mhari Blacks maiden speech is Just amazing, what a speech

If you say so. She ruined her point about being the only 20 year old being helped with housing by starting her point by saying 'Quite rightly as an MP I am helped to find accommodation in London. 'Assume to make her point she'll be sharing a crummy bedsit with a couple of down and outs then.

With regard to her constituency having the highest number of sanctions in the UK, there is a question to be answered here.

Either the DWP staff are being over zealous in their application of issuing sanctions, or the people getting them need an attitude change. Possibly a bit of both?

If MS Black is worth more than her usual rhetoric from her days on the Hope Over Fear rally's stage, then I trust she's been in to the DWP offices to start her investigation.

Otherwise it's just fine words for Westminster like the rest of them.

elantan

skintmacflint wrote: »

If you say so. She ruined her point about being the only 20 year old being helped with housing by starting her point by saying 'Quite rightly as an MP I am helped to find accommodation in London. 'Assume to make her point she'll be sharing a crummy bedsit with a couple of down and outs then.

With regard to her constituency having the highest number of sanctions in the UK, there is a question to be answered here.

Either the DWP staff are being over zealous in their application of issuing sanctions, or the people getting them need an attitude change. Possibly a bit of both?

If MS Black is worth more than her usual rhetoric from her days on the Hope Over Fear rally's stage, then I trust she's been in to the DWP offices to start her investigation.

Otherwise it's just fine words for Westminster like the rest of them.

If you say so

elantan

Froggitt wrote: »

Fox hunting vote reminding the electorate why EVEL is required.

And yet even the Tories admitted today that even if EVEL had been passed the SNP wouldve been allowed to vote, I dont quite understand it myself ... but it appears to be true

skintmacflint

elantan wrote: »

If you say so

I certainly do

elantan

kabayiri

I thought this was supposed to be a new wave of politics?

Referring to "Thatcherite policies" is hardly that is it Mhari.

Young Mhari wasn't even born when Mrs T was in power. I imagined she formed a good opinion of our first female PM by sitting listening to her parent's unbiased stories of what it was like under that evil Tory regime.

Blaming Thatcher *isn't* getting boring. It *became* boring a long time ago. Even dear old Tony Blair realised that.

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elantan wrote: »

Yes they are very angry at the moment, they were promised real powers and have been voted down when they tried to get them ... There are a lot of angry people as well ... And if she were an Empress it wouldnt be Emperor ... atleast try and get the gender specified terms correct

Real powers are in the making and Scotland will get them if they elect a Goverment with enough political honesty to use them.

This gross fiction that the Scots are being denied what was promised is a lie and it's regrettable that some are apparently willing to swallow it.

Some time ago Adam Tomkins summed it up and his remarks are well worth reading - See here

I recommend all to read that link.

The SNP agreed with the Smith proposals and the next day rubbished them. All they do now is cement their reputation for trustworthiness.

... and silliness.

elantan

Tbh thats another reason I am not a member of the SNP they should never have agreed with the Smith Commission, I have also stated this often enough, I personally dont forgive Linda Fabiani John Swinney ( who should really have known better) Patrick Harvie and Maggie Chapman for signing the proposals ... Those four let the people of Scotland down ...

The excuses I have heard from SNP supporters for the situation have never been anything close to enough to make me think they were right to sign on the dotted line, have argued the point many time with a few of them

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elantan wrote: »

And yet even the Tories admitted today that even if EVEL had been passed the SNP wouldve been allowed to vote, I dont quite understand it myself ... but it appears to be true

That has been the situation for some time, W.Hague put forward the scheme which is/was in progress, namely that all MPs would debate and vote but on English only matters the decision would only stand if there was a majority of English MPs voter voting for it.

So the SNP assertion that they were being denied a say was simply not true.

I was in favour of that overall principle because it would have brought up any real inter-nation problems and would have allowed all MPs to contribute. But I don't think the SNP are able to contribute anything. Another Scottish party would no doubt.