Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

All they have to do is to be seen to at least try their best at Westminster, fight hard for what they've said they will. And take some ( hopefully a lot ) of Labour MP's with them along the way in terms of votes as their constituents wake up to an alternative.

And the end of the day Westminster isn't the end goal. It's Holyrood and the more powers the better. However, while in Westminster ( and this is the first time the possibility has been in sight ).. They will at least try to drag Labour back to towards it's roots a bit. And no I don't mean Derek Hatton style, just a bit less 'corporate' if that's the right word. Bearing in mind there are a fair few who would love to see that in England/Wales and a fair few of their MP's.. It's not such a bad goal.

Got to be better than UKIP at least as an alternative for reluctant Labour voters.. stuck voting for them because there's nothing else. Ed Miliband standing up and decrying things like the bedroom tax, cuts hitting those with disabilities, at least looking angry about NHS privatisation, ( he always seemed a bit wimpy to me on that ) and education changes.. Would have seen him win by miles this election.. not least because the SNP wouldn't have half the support it does if he had.

I just posted that

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

And you were doing so well until the last line....

well, people that can be persuaded that paying Uni fees for rich(er) people, is somehow to the advantage of poorer people, that don't go to people Uni, are not very clever.

What do you think about it?

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

All they have to do is to be seen to at least try their best at Westminster, fight hard for what they've said they will. And take some ( hopefully a lot ) of Labour MP's with them along the way in terms of votes as their constituents wake up to an alternative.

And the end of the day Westminster isn't the end goal. It's Holyrood and the more powers the better. However, while in Westminster ( and this is the first time the possibility has been in sight ).. They will at least try to drag Labour back to towards it's roots a bit. And no I don't mean Derek Hatton style, just a bit less 'corporate' if that's the right word. Bearing in mind there are a fair few who would love to see that in England/Wales and a fair few of their MP's.. It's not such a bad goal.

Got to be better than UKIP at least as an alternative for reluctant Labour voters.. stuck voting for them because there's nothing else. Ed Miliband standing up and decrying things like the bedroom tax, cuts hitting those with disabilities, at least looking angry about NHS privatisation, ( he always seemed a bit wimpy to me on that ) and education changes.. Would have seen him win by miles this election.. not least because the SNP wouldn't have half the support it does if he had.

And because the SNP won't form a Government with Labour there is absolutely nothing that the SNP can do about any of those things.

Oppositions can't spend money.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

And because the SNP won't form a Government with Labour there is absolutely nothing that the SNP can do about any of those things.

Oppositions can't spend money.

In a hung parliament, they can stop the largest party instituting wholesale cuts though can't they. There's a difference between being in complete opposition and no say. And a hung parliament where the incumbents may need votes. The SNP has more or less mirrored Labour's policies or vice versa depending. Apart from a few very widely known differences. And the fact they want Smith commission proposals implemented in full ( how long ago does that seem now ! ).. and push for further if they can get it.

Labour will get the blame for the 'bad stuff' in Scotland. Because like I've said, if Labour's current policies were popular among Scots. We'd be voting for them instead.

What IS true however, is that this time, it looks like a truly Scottish party instead of Labour voting fodder will be there and have opportunities that past SNP MP's can only have dreamt of. We're all hoping, be it 25 or 55 MP's that go down. That they'll make the most of those opportunities.

Then there's all the other parties and how the dice will fall in a few days time.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

What IS true however, is that this time, it looks like a truly Scottish party instead of Labour voting fodder will be there and have opportunities that past SNP MP's can only have dreamt of. We're all hoping, be it 25 or 55 MP's that go down. That they'll make the most of those opportunities.
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Nope. What is true is that we will have 25 or 55 inexperienced MPs who will do exactly what they are told by Nicola Sturgeon or Alex Salmond. Both of whom have a single aim and their own agenda, which does not reflect the wishes or best interest of the Scottish people.

Certainly SNP will attempt to make the most of any opportunity, but you are naïve to assume you can predict the behaviour or reaction of any remaining Labour or Conservative supporter. The voters of other parties in Scotland who were easily swayed by SNP spin and rhetoric have already jumped ship to SNP. Those remaining are not so easily persuaded.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Are we back re-running the independence referendum Hamish. Because I can't be bothered. There's a Westminster election in 3 days time...

Someone better tell Eddi Reader Scottish singer and songwriter (Fair Ground attraction) that it's an election not an Indy rerun , as she twittered that Jim Murphy went into a Yes city (Glasgow) to cause trouble.

And as you've previously sneered at anyone considering a tactical vote in the election, I presume you feel even more disdain for Kirsten Oswald SNP candidate for East Renfrewhsire. She has been contacting Conservative voters, telling them she respects their Tory values, but as SNP look like the only party to stop Labour winning this seat, can they lend their vote to SNP.?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

In a hung parliament, they can stop the largest party instituting wholesale cuts though can't they. There's a difference between being in complete opposition and no say. And a hung parliament where the incumbents may need votes. The SNP has more or less mirrored Labour's policies or vice versa depending. Apart from a few very widely known differences. And the fact they want Smith commission proposals implemented in full ( how long ago does that seem now ! ).. and push for further if they can get it.

Labour will get the blame for the 'bad stuff' in Scotland. Because like I've said, if Labour's current policies were popular among Scots. We'd be voting for them instead.

What IS true however, is that this time, it looks like a truly Scottish party instead of Labour voting fodder will be there and have opportunities that past SNP MP's can only have dreamt of. We're all hoping, be it 25 or 55 MP's that go down. That they'll make the most of those opportunities.

Then there's all the other parties and how the dice will fall in a few days time.

What is a truely Scottish party?
How does that differ from say a truely Yorkshire party?
or how does it differ from a truely Glaswegian party?

Presumably this truely Scottish party would truely hate being part of the EU where it wouldn't have any opportunities at all?

elantan

Aberdeenangarse wrote: »

So give us an answer. Do you support those SNP thugs, or don't you?

I have already answered

Leanne1812

Just for the record Sean Clarkin, the protester with the microphone yesterday is not an SNP member. He is a serial protester & disrupter. He has heckled the SNP as well. I feel sickened watching the footage & for the life of me do not understand why people behave like this. To me he just likes the attention & publicity.

elantan

I agree but his original imperial masters last year was hilarious