Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Leanne1812

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Who wouldn't vote for anti-austerity. That's a vote winner. Words are easy. What I struggle with is how the policy is actually going to be paid for. Increased debt is going to come at a cost to all of us.

And increased austerity isn't? I suppose some of us pick what we see is the lesser of the 2 evils.

Leanne1812

.string. wrote: »

It goes beyond the policy itself.

The point is, Leanne, is that last year the SNP were threatening that they would not honour their part of the UK national debt; it was even said that it was not Scotland's debt to pay back, it was Westminster's.

So surely you can understand a little disbelief in the SNP's good faith when they declare a policy which involves substantial increases in the national debt while at the same time muttering about another Referendum..

Haven't you noticed it is everyone but the SNP who keep banging on about a referendum? Seriously, every debate I've watched is filled with the other party leaders repeating it. It's the same old negative politicking. They haven't anything good to say about their own policies, just attack the opposition and using the referendum is what they see as the best turn off for the electorate who voted No.

It clearly isn't working of the polls are to be believed. I don't think any of us think there will be another referendum anytime soon. What is the timescale the parties have given to eradicate the debt? 2018/19 rings a bell. Do you think Scotland would have another referendum before then? I certainly don't unless we are marginalised and excluded politically.cwhat would be the point remaining in the union if that were the case. The powers that be must tread very carefully over the next few weeks if they want us to feel like we are a valued member of the UK.

Tromking

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Not half as arrogant as the UK politicians who begged us to stay and be an equal part of the union. They forgot to add as long as we do as we're told and don't cause any aggravation. The SNP's proposal is to take a little longer to pay back the deficit, meaning less hardship, is that really so terrible? Hasnt the present government failed to meet its targets anyway so why should we believe them?

The victim mentality you display on here is bordering on the pathological. Do you not see that Scotland does very well of the Union and has done for decades? We are in the midst of a serious downturn and thanks to the rUK bending over backwards to keep you guys happy, Scotland has not suffered anywhere near the levels of austerity the English have had to endure. But hey, you just keep on dripping about how nasty those Westminster Unionists are why don`t you!
Scotland is free to leave whenever it wants, no one is being repressed or duped into staying. Most English people are entirely relaxed about Scotland staying or going, the future of Scotland is up to you guys, and thats always been the case.

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Haven't you noticed it is everyone but the SNP who keep banging on about a referendum? Seriously, every debate I've watched is filled with the other party leaders repeating it. It's the same old negative politicking. They haven't anything good to say about their own policies, just attack the opposition and using the referendum is what they see as the best turn off for the electorate who voted No.

It clearly isn't working of the polls are to be believed. I don't think any of us think there will be another referendum anytime soon. What is the timescale the parties have given to eradicate the debt? 2018/19 rings a bell. Do you think Scotland would have another referendum before then? I certainly don't unless we are marginalised and excluded politically.cwhat would be the point remaining in the union if that were the case. The powers that be must tread very carefully over the next few weeks if they want us to feel like we are a valued member of the UK.

clearly you have no idea of the difference between the debt and the deficit: maybe make some effort to learn about a very vital difference.

Scotttish MPs can vote on all UK matters just like very other MP.
Hopefully that will change to stop Scotland having two votes when the English have only one: but this obvious fairness hasn't happen yet.

Leanne1812

Tromking wrote: »

The victim mentality you display on here is bordering on the pathological. Do you not see that Scotland does very well of the Union and has done for decades? We are in the midst of a serious downturn and thanks to the rUK bending over backwards to keep you guys happy, Scotland has not suffered anywhere near the levels of austerity the English have had to endure. But hey, you just keep on dripping about how nasty those Westminster Unionists are why don`t you!
Scotland is free to leave whenever it wants, no one is being repressed or duped into staying. Most English people are entirely relaxed about Scotland staying or going, the future of Scotland is up to you guys, and thats always been the case.

That old chestnut again........I'd argue the whole UK has done quite well from Scotland over the decades but carry on. It's who you choose to align with. Did you never wonder why we were begged to stay in the union if we are such a drain? Does that make sense to you?

If Scotland votes a majority of SNP representatives and they are ostracised then I will be outraged. How would you feel if it were your representative?

Do you live here? How can you state we've not had to endure austerity like the rest of the UK has?

Agreed, it is up to scots. We decided to stay. Thanks for making us feel welcome and wanted.

Leanne1812

CLAPTON wrote: »

clearly you have no idea of the difference between the debt and the deficit: maybe make some effort to learn about a very vital difference.

Scotttish MPs can vote on all UK matters just like very other MP.
Hopefully that will change to stop Scotland having two votes when the English have only one: but this obvious fairness hasn't happen yet.

After calling me an idiot I should have ignored you. I will now.

Good day.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Leanne1812 wrote: »

And increased austerity isn't? I suppose some of us pick what we see is the lesser of the 2 evils.

Leeane, the current UK national debt, including all the PFI and state pensions liability is around £80,000 per person.

If you live in a family of four people, then your household alone is responsible for paying back £320,000.

Increased austerity is required for you to pay back that debt.

Loading up the credit card a bit more for another year or two of socialist handouts and 'jam today' is irresponsible madness....

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

And increased austerity isn't? I suppose some of us pick what we see is the lesser of the 2 evils.

Austerity isn't a choice. It's a necessity. Nor is it an evil.

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

After calling me an idiot I should have ignored you. I will now.

Good day.

oh truth hurts
not that you have ever experienced it

Leanne1812

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Leeane, the current UK national debt, including all the PFI and state pensions liability is around £80,000 per person.

If you live in a family of four people, then your household alone is responsible for paying back £320,000.

Increased austerity is required for you to pay back that debt.

Loading up the credit card a bit more for another year or two of socialist handouts and 'jam today' is irresponsible madness....

It's not ideal is it? A situation outwith the control of your average tax paying UK citizen has left all of us with this debt to pay. I'm incredulous we haven't revolted more and insisted those who caused it are held accountable. The real criminals must be laughing all the way to the bank.........

I know the longer we have the debt the more interest we pay but it really strikes me as a better option.

When you say socialist handouts what do you mean? Are people benefitting that don't deserve to?

What is so distasteful about the SNP's proposal to pay it back over a slightly longer period and not cut quite so much? I think if it eases hardship for those who need help the most then it has to be considered by the next government.