Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

We differ wildly in how we look at the system. Why is the welfare bill so high? What caused it to reach a level that appears unsustainable? Could a factor be low paid minimum hour jobs that require government top ups?

Which Chancellor created this situation?

How did we get to a situation where large corporations making tidy profits cannot emply people on a liveable wage?

Such as which Corporations in the UK?

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's a different conversation. As relates to your personal circumstances rather that macro financial management of the economy.

It matters rather a lot if one person's personal circumstances, are mirrored en masse with others. And that en masse..people think things need changing. It's why the Labour Party came into being in the first place ( for example ). Politics and democracy are the only powers available to change things peacefully en masse.

Macro financial managements of economies will follow the politics, for better or for worse, one way or another. Always.

Politics in the UK and most especially in Scotland is changing. The two party system looks like being over for a while. As does Labour domination in Scotland. Macro financial matters will follow the outcome. Because that's where the power to institute financial policy on a macro financial basis lies. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it any less valid. Or less inevitable.

( I hope that was just as deeply meaningful there as your reply to Leanne was ).

skintmacflint

elantan wrote: »

Ok I am gonna go right against what possibly many of you ( but I dont want to presume) think my beliefs are.... Whilst I am slowly warming to Nicola Sturgeon and I believe that Alex was right to step down ( still my hero though) and that Nicola has achieved things that he couldnt have

I feel ( for me) the SNP is currently far too left wing .... I believe some of the new ( from my understanding ... but not always) ex Labour behaviours are wrong ( mob mentality etc) , I do not completely like the way SNP are currently moving, they are obviously being influenced by ex Labour ( the biggest party in Scotland till recently)

And I do feel as if the SNP are finding their way just now, which is why whilst I will not totally rip into SNP but I will be listening and watching and actively judging

So would you tend to agree with Allan Sutherland from Stonehaven who wrote a letter to Alex Salmond.. Can't link due to my poor skills.

Was called 'an open letter to Alex Salmond former first minister from an old schoolmate'

That letter sums it up for me and thousands of others in Scotland.

elantan

I havnt read it so I cant comment ... sorry

Leanne1812

elantan wrote: »

Ok I am gonna go right against what possibly many of you ( but I dont want to presume) think my beliefs are.... Whilst I am slowly warming to Nicola Sturgeon and I believe that Alex was right to step down ( still my hero though) and that Nicola has achieved things that he couldnt have

I feel ( for me) the SNP is currently far too left wing .... I believe some of the new ( from my understanding ... but not always) ex Labour behaviours are wrong ( mob mentality etc) , I do not completely like the way SNP are currently moving, they are obviously being influenced by ex Labour ( the biggest party in Scotland till recently)

And I do feel as if the SNP are finding their way just now, which is why whilst I will not totally rip into SNP but I will be listening and watching and actively judging

You made me smile Elantan as my hubby & I were chatting earlier and laughing saying we think we might be conservatives!:rotfl: I do like Ruth Davidson and agree with some of what she says but I cannot support a party that I feel looks after the top of the tree first & foremost. Some on here will argue we need that to benefit all of us but with the gulf widening between rich & poor it is not being addressed properly nor is the wealth trickling down. ( Hamish I did read your thread about inequality and us all getting richer but the gulf is far too wide) I believe hard work should be rewarded and it isn't. Not even by the conservatives who espouse that it should be.

Right now I support SNP and I'll continue to do so while I believe & trust in them and their policies ( not everything! )

I can't abide the mob mentality either but I feel that's just what politics in Scotland has become for now. I think it will subside, it's just a bit like a re run of the referendum right now with what appears to be a massive swing in our voting intentions.

Leanne1812

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Which Chancellor created this situation?



Such as which Corporations in the UK?

Is it relevant which chancellor? Does it answer the question I posed?

Asda for one.

elantan

Leanne1812 wrote: »

You made me smile Elantan as my hubby & I were chatting earlier and laughing saying we think we might be conservatives!:rotfl: I do like Ruth Davidson and agree with some of what she says but I cannot support a party that I feel looks after the top of the tree first & foremost. Some on here will argue we need that to benefit all of us but with the gulf widening between rich & poor it is not being addressed properly nor is the wealth trickling down. ( Hamish I did read your thread about inequality and us all getting richer but the gulf is far too wide) I believe hard work should be rewarded and it isn't. Not even by the conservatives who espouse that it should be.

Right now I support SNP and I'll continue to do so while I believe & trust in them and their policies ( not everything! )

I can't abide the mob mentality either but I feel that's just what politics in Scotland has become for now. I think it will subside, it's just a bit like a re run of the referendum right now with what appears to be a massive swing in our voting intentions.

I 100% agree .... Ruth is not too bad but she occasionally lets the thin ( very thin) veil slip. I feel that we have swung too far to the right and now we are swinging too far to the left, I hope we settle somewhere in the middle, The NEW SNP scares me in many ways, but I still honestly believe they are currently the best hope for my country, and if I was to vote this time it would be them I would vote for, I accept that for now this current state of our politics is what we have to work through but hope it changes

Incidentally Hamish Hubby has just informed me that whilst he was out on a convoy today ( he Joined the SNP I havnt) there was a driver that was pulled from his car and attacked .. the police were called and statements taken ... That must be that anti SNP mob again that you seem to forget about I spose

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I think it absolutely relates to this situation. It is people's personal lives & standards of living which are affected by cuts & austerity. We cannot talk of austerity without considering the human consequences.

That's a politicians response. Hence the disillusionment with all parties.

We either create jobs that pay people a living wage or continue to subsidise them.

Unfortunately Utopia doesn't exist.

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

I 100% agree .... Ruth is not too bad but she occasionally lets the thin ( very thin) veil slip. I feel that we have swung too far to the right and now we are swinging too far to the left, I hope we settle somewhere in the middle, The NEW SNP scares me in many ways, but I still honestly believe they are currently the best hope for my country, and if I was to vote this time it would be them I would vote for, I accept that for now this current state of our politics is what we have to work through but hope it changes

Incidentally Hamish Hubby has just informed me that whilst he was out on a convoy today ( he Joined the SNP I havnt) there was a driver that was pulled from his car and attacked .. the police were called and statements taken ... That must be that anti SNP mob again that you seem to forget about I spose

Voting wise. I think those on the more 'lefty' left will go back to Green and SSP in 2016. I've seen lots of tweets and things saying that people are going to vote SNP this election. But will go back to Green and SSP after this election in Holyrood. They feel that the SNP right now for this election, is the only way to vote in order to.. well, to espouse a cliche..make sure their vote matters in a UK election for once.

The SNP and all it's new members. It'll find it's way the same way any other party does with a huge influx of new members. Which, lets face it, hasn't exactly been prevalent in the last few decades for any party much ! There's always been a left/right element to the SNP, right from the beginnings and Alex Salmond spent much of his early time as leader against real left wingers like Sillars etc. Is to be expected in a 'common cause' I think. And will shake itself out. Those who don't like it will move on.

Nicola is to the left of Salmond ( but not when he himself started out as leader... disrupting Tory budgets and getting chucked out of the Hoc !!! ).. she too will probably modify her leadership in time, as he did.

Ruth I love her persona. And she has a real sense of humour and down to earthness I like. But, I find it hard to take when a leader elected from the list in a PR system. States she doesn't like PR systems ... :eek:

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Voting wise. I think those on the extreme left will go back to Green and SSP in 2016. I've seen lots of tweets and things saying that people are going to vote SNP this election. But will go back to Green and SSP after this election in Holyrood. They feel that the SNP right now for this election, is the only way to vote in order to.. well, to espouse a cliche..make sure their vote matters in a UK election for once.

Or as you used to call it, "Pathetic Tactical Voting"...