Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

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A quick point then I'm off. I learnt something new over the past few days when looking at majorities, coalitions, confidence and supply issues etc.

Hamish and other folk on this forum bang on about what they see as the evils of the SNP and (presumably non-UK) nationalism in general.

The Labour Party claim they take what they regard as a principled stance.

These honest Labour politicians, who detest Scottish nationalists and everything they stand for, (even when independence is not in the manifesto!), will pledge to uphold the Union at all costs - even at the cost of their own leader courageously giving up his only likely chance of becoming PM - rather than even contemplate SPEAKING to the SNP. Oh, how they love that principled stance.

Maybe in that case someone could explain why the "UK" and "Scottish" Labour Party MPs happily extend the Westminster Labour Whip to MPs from the SDLP; a party that seeks to take Northern Ireland out of "the Union" and into a united Ireland?

From the SDLP website -

"Achieving a majority for Irish unity any time soon will require the persuasion of some unionists. It will also require the reassurance of many others. Because we have always stood for peace and partnership, only the SDLP can persuade a majority in the North in favour of unity - just as we persuaded a majority of the North in favour of the Good Friday Agreement. That is why only the SDLP can deliver a United Ireland."

Clearly, we are not talking about the - "well if they vote with us, that's their choice" guff, the Labour Whip is extended to Irish Nationalists. Where is the unconditional support for the Union there?

WR

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

I can tell you are lost.

Finally, something we can agree on

Fair do's, but you didn't answer what I asked you. What is your problem with 40 or 50 SNP MP's out of 600 odd in Westminster ? Do you even know what it is ? Do you even have a problem with it ?

Love to hear your thoughts.

Leanne1812

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Ah, then maybe you can show me the pictures or video/audio tapes where Labour or Tory supporters are outside an SNP rally threatening to Execute Nicola sturgeon?

How about any of Labour or Tory supporters video taping children entering an SNP convention and screaming that their parents are traitors?

Again, both those things happened this week at a Labour event, and the perpetrators were SNP supporters.

Have a look for Natalie McGarry, snp candidate. She gets a terrible amount of abuse. I read the other day about an activist being punched in the face but didn't press charges. They should have, disgusting behaviour!

I condemn any form of abuse but you like to insinuate it's a huge problem, it's a tiny minority on both sides. You only have to look at #snpout to see some unionists are vile too. You know the media is mostly unionist too and report accordingly.

Leanne1812

kabayiri wrote: »

Support throughout the UK. Don't make me laugh. Do you know how arrogant you sound?

"force for good" ... any idiot can load up the UK credit card with debt and buy goodness. Making sure *we* pay it back and not lump it on our children? That's the hard bit.

Not half as arrogant as the UK politicians who begged us to stay and be an equal part of the union. They forgot to add as long as we do as we're told and don't cause any aggravation. The SNP's proposal is to take a little longer to pay back the deficit, meaning less hardship, is that really so terrible? Hasnt the present government failed to meet its targets anyway so why should we believe them?

elantan

Aberdeenangarse wrote: »

No I haven't, but there's been plenty of evidence of violence towards people who didn't vote SNP and didn't want Independence. Do you condone that?

I dislike violence of any kind... abhor it even, but I think we have to not blame only one side but look at the whole picture

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

They like SNP policies. The SNP have said they will be a force for good for all the people of the UK. They even have support throughout the UK with many wishing they could vote for them!

Who wouldn't vote for anti-austerity. That's a vote winner. Words are easy. What I struggle with is how the policy is actually going to be paid for. Increased debt is going to come at a cost to all of us.

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Not half as arrogant as the UK politicians who begged us to stay and be an equal part of the union. They forgot to add as long as we do as we're told and don't cause any aggravation. The SNP's proposal is to take a little longer to pay back the deficit, meaning less hardship, is that really so terrible? Hasnt the present government failed to meet its targets anyway so why should we believe them?

One doesn't 'pay back' a deficit
but you really have no idea have you other than to recite propaganda without any understanding?

.string.

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Not half as arrogant as the UK politicians who begged us to stay and be an equal part of the union. They forgot to add as long as we do as we're told and don't cause any aggravation. The SNP's proposal is to take a little longer to pay back the deficit, meaning less hardship, is that really so terrible? Hasnt the present government failed to meet its targets anyway so why should we believe them?

It goes beyond the policy itself.

The point is, Leanne, is that last year the SNP were threatening that they would not honour their part of the UK national debt; it was even said that it was not Scotland's debt to pay back, it was Westminster's.

So surely you can understand a little disbelief in the SNP's good faith when they declare a policy which involves substantial increases in the national debt while at the same time muttering about another Referendum..

Leanne1812

CLAPTON wrote: »

One doesn't 'pay back' a deficit
but you really have no idea have you other than to recite propaganda without any understanding?

I meant debt. Thanks for your kind understanding of my mistake. Yes, I do know the difference between debt & deficit.

.string.

Wild_Rover wrote: »

Maybe in that case someone could explain why the "UK" and "Scottish" Labour Party MPs happily extend the Westminster Labour Whip to MPs from the SDLP; a party that seeks to take Northern Ireland out of "the Union" and into a united Ireland?

You have a valid point.



Labour should not ally themselves with disloyal parties.