Should People Have Children If They Cant Afford Them

purpleshoes_2

Buzzybee90 wrote: »

If Grimsby is as bad as you say (it find look like a dump full of undesirables on the obviously bias TV show) why don't you move?

Theres the cooking for the 3000 on Christmas Day to be got through before that can be considered:rotfl:

onlyroz

supermassive wrote: »

The food industry is a front put on by publicity seekers. There are more job seekers than jobs for those jobs. I temporarily worked in some through an agency last year when I'd hit rock bottom. They're populated by ex jailbirds. Every day there was a bike stolen from outside.

Not that that should stop you getting a job in one, but there are no jobs available in them... not for the amount of people that are applying for the jobs.

The 'university' or Grimsby College as it used to be known before they built a new square block on and did all the uni courses in there so they can call it a university... is dire. My sister attends at the moment, it's not what it appears to be.

It's a trap.

This was not my brother's experience of living, studying and working in Grimsby. He has developed a successful career on the back of the degree he obtained from the (former) University of Humberside and North Lincolnshire.

meer53

Buzzybee90 wrote: »

If Grimsby is as bad as you say (it find look like a dump full of undesirables on the obviously bias TV show) why don't you move?

I've asked that question already. It was swiftly avoided. If he moved, he wouldn't have anything to moan about.

supermassive

purpleshoes wrote: »

Theres the cooking for the 3000 on Christmas Day to be got through before that can be considered:rotfl:

If you're referring to the family meal we have on xmas eve, that I took over from my step mother who's had neck surgery this year and is in recovery, then yes, I would like to get through that. If you're referring to my charity, that's not until boxing day and it's usually less than 3000 but I should do a head-count

meer53 wrote: »

I've asked that question already. It was swiftly avoided. If he moved, he wouldn't have anything to moan about.

Alternatively, you could've read my response. To move costs money. Money I don't have. Family and work are here, but it's a cycle - work for barely anything, pay out loads to survive, back to work again. A trap. There's a reason there's no development and the houses are so cheap to buy. They're utterly undesirable.

I do like that I've turned into a target due to my opinion that children deserve better. You're all pretty shameful in not thinking so.

fairy_lights

supermassive wrote: »

The fact is that the combination of great parents & little money aren't the standard in working class Britain.

That's a pretty unfair and inaccurate generalisation.
Are you really saying that people without much money rarely make good parents? I don't think a persons financial situation really has any bearing on their ability to be emotionally supportive or encouraging of their child's education.

Buzzybee90

supermassive wrote: »

If you're referring to the family meal we have on xmas eve, that I took over from my step mother who's had neck surgery this year and is in recovery, then yes, I would like to get through that. If you're referring to my charity, that's not until boxing day and it's usually less than 3000 but I should do a head-count



Alternatively, you could've read my response. To move costs money. Money I don't have. Family and work are here, but it's a cycle - work for barely anything, pay out loads to survive, back to work again. A trap. There's a reason there's no development and the houses are so cheap to buy. They're utterly undesirable.

I do like that I've turned into a target due to my opinion that children deserve better. You're all pretty shameful in not thinking so.

Children definetly deserve better than being born into poverty, not sure anyone has disagreed with that. I doubt this board is frequented by the sort of people that would bring children into those situations.

supermassive

fairy_lights wrote: »

That's a pretty unfair and inaccurate generalisation.
Are you really saying that people without much money rarely make good parents? I don't think a persons financial situation really has any bearing on their ability to be emotionally supportive or encouraging of their child's education.

You'd have to look at why they have no money, what have they done in their lives to make them think that when they've got no money, they should be bringing a life into that situation to also experience financial hardship.

Happier_Me

supermassive wrote: »

Earnings relate to the property you live in.
The property you live in relates to the schools nearby.
The school you attend is where you get your education.
If you attend school with people at the lower end of the scale - aka troublecausers, future prison cell tenants (like I did) then your education will suffer (like mine did).
If your education suffers due to this, which is very very common, then it all stems from finances.

I thought that'd be quite obvious.

I went to school in a poor area, and before I went to that school was a very high achiever. After being set on fire I moved to another nearby school (poor area, again). At this school, the children were tearaways, much like the other school. No education was achieved and my coursework was set on fire on the field with everyone elses.

If I'd been in a more expensive house, or even a less poor area, this would've been unlikely to happen.

I think a poor background can limit your options but not remove them altogether. But you have to work harder to be successful.

I was brought up on a council estate and attended a rough school - the sort of school that accepted kids that had been expelled from other local schools and where it was 'normal' to be pregnant and have babies when you were 14 or 15 (or younger). No doubt a good number of these kids have gone onto a life of crime or will be living on benefits just like their parents did. I was bullied at school, although not badly thankfully.

I was intelligent but could have got better grades had I attended a better school. Has this held me back? No, I don't think so. I have just had to work harder to be successful. University wasn't an option and this probably did restrict my career choice, but working two jobs 7 days a week whilst studying a professional qualification was an option, so I did that.

Most things are possible if you put your mind to it and you want it badly enough - I absolutely did not want to struggle financially like my parents did.

lazer

supermassive wrote: »

You'd have to look at why they have no money, what have they done in their lives to make them think that when they've got no money, they should be bringing a life into that situation to also experience financial hardship.

People have no money for a variety of reasons. Personally I have a good well paid job, and although I do want Children, I don't want them while I am in this job - its an hour each way commute every day, plus the hours can be very long, and regular trips away. So I am generally quite stressed, and wouldn't have the time I want to be able to give a child.


I am looking into retraining into childcare - which is quite low paid, however, I will be able to work hours around my child and I will have a job I am happy in. Being there for my child and not be too stressed out with life to enjoy their company and play with them etc, are more important than money!


My husband is a construction worker and earns good enough money but it can be very volatile, high earnings some month, nothing the next - so if I change jobs and we have children, then there will be times when we may not have much money, but I am confident that we can survive it and that we would make good parents regardless of the money.

LilElvis

supermassive wrote: »

If you're referring to the family meal we have on xmas eve, that I took over from my step mother who's had neck surgery this year and is in recovery, then yes, I would like to get through that. If you're referring to my charity, that's not until boxing day and it's usually less than 3000 but I should do a head-count



Alternatively, you could've read my response. To move costs money. Money I don't have. Family and work are here, but it's a cycle - work for barely anything, pay out loads to survive, back to work again. A trap. There's a reason there's no development and the houses are so cheap to buy. They're utterly undesirable.

I do like that I've turned into a target due to my opinion that children deserve better. You're all pretty shameful in not thinking so.

Nobody has even intimated that a child should be brought up in poverty, they just disagree with your ridiculous belief about what level of financial security two adults should have before having a child. A home in a good area, car and sufficient money to ensure they can go to university were some of your criteria. Everybody would like to provide the best of everything for their child, but the majority have to just do the best they can. I'm sure most people can understand that you didn't have the greatest start in life, but you have made some pretty daft assertions.