Can't get HD freeview

Broadwood

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

While that may well be the case, I fail to see how this misunderstanding is somehow a "con" by manufacturers. In the early days of colour broadcasting, many programmes were still broadcast in Black & White-but customers still had Colour enabled sets. I really see little difference with today's latest technological improvements.

It's also the case that some people cannot tell the difference between HD and standard definition. I know I've been in homes were HD channels were ignored in favour of their SD equivalents simply because the latter appear earlier in the EPG. This is another reason for some being confused by the issue.

Again, I don't see this as a "con". and I resent the implication that "those over about 45" need to be led by the nose when purchasing a TV or Freeview set top box.

There will always be improvements in TV technology, otherwise we'd all still be watching on a twelve inch screen with a huge cathode ray tube at the rear!:)

I'm well over 45 (late 50s in fact) so please don't feel any resentment for my implication regard to any frailties of the over 45s.

However the difference between old cathode tube tvs and modern LCD/LED flat panel tvs is both instantly obvious and without need for reading of the small-print when comparing the two side by side, whereas spotting the technical differences between similar looking LCD/LED flat panel tvs either with or without a DVB-T2 is very much easier to disguise from the non-techy buyer of any age.

Hence my labeling of the marketing as a "bit of a con", whereas you prefer to call it a bit of a confusion. Either way there is great potential for confusion simply because of the regular upgrade and improvement since the launch of DVB in 1998. DVB-T2 is really the 3rd generation with 2k boxes being the first and 8k boxes being the second of DVB SD spec. A UHF 625-line black & white analogue tv from 1969 would have theoretically received 5 channels right up to digital switch-over in 2012 albeit without colour, Nicam stereo sound and teletext/ceefax. That's a 43 year life span! For FM radio the span is probably 55 years. For AM radio it's 90-plus years and still counting.

Whereas old technologies got scrapped or recycled when they wore out or major components failed, most current digital gear becomes obsolete or upgraded before it wears out or any components fail.

Such is the current speed of progress and innovation.

Broadwood

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

It's also the case that some people cannot tell the difference between HD and standard definition. I know I've been in homes were HD channels were ignored in favour of their SD equivalents simply because the latter appear earlier in the EPG.

My wife would be like that if left to her. I get round it after major rescans by deleting the SD versions where HD versions exist (except BBC1 West Mids which I re-number as 999), then move the HDs into the vacated slots except that I move BBC News HD to 998. I also move BBC Parliament to 996 and Sky News to 997, which makes flicking down and up again for local news inserts easier during Breakfast.

almillar

HD ready means it can display 720p and iirc has inputs suitable for it (IE component, VGA, DVI or HDMI*).
Full HD means that it can display the full 1080p HD format, and IIRC that it has at least one HDMI connection.

Nope, I've already told you:

HD ready is the only official one, and to get this sticker, a TV has to have at least 720 lines vertically, and at least 1 HDMI port. Everything else is marketing, buyer beware.

Further - Full HD is just marketing - it has come to mean 1080p, but still doesn't relate to the tuner. It should really be called Full HD ready.

*Early HD ready sets did not even have HDMI, as from memory HDMI didn't reach mainstream use for a couple of years after the first HD ready sets came out (and from memory early Sky HD boxes had both component and HDMI).

No, early HD sets didn't have HDMI. As above the HD Ready logo came in to 'help'! HD pictures could be acheived with component, DVI or good old VGA.