Car insurance question, tax disc

Tilt

societys_child wrote: »

Yes they do, it can lead to other offences.

Not specifically, they don't. But as I said, seeing an out of date tax disc was a good enough reason to perform a stop.

societys_child wrote: »

Thought the reason they'd done away with the disc was because they all are, even the unmarked ones.

This is what the DVLA want us to believe but it is not the case. In any event, it is not specifically a police matter not to have tax so why would ANPR be fitted to ALL police vehicles as a result of the recent changes? What the DVLA means is that their own ANPR/computer technology no longer requires the need for a tax disc which I interpret as meaning that there has been a programme of ANPR installation right across the road network in readiness for the discontinuing of the tax disc, Well there's been no such activity on the Isle of Wight for a start.

societys_child wrote: »

Possibly, but remember, untaxed, un-sorned vehicles are on the data base.

Which is no good when tackling those people who deliberately provide false keeper details when buying a used car. Doing away with the tax disc is an added bonus to them as they now 'blend in' with the rest of us. Only way these people will get caught is if they are picked up by a police car with ANPR. In certain areas of the Isle of Wight (and no doubt in a lot of other rural areas), you can go weeks without coming across a police car.

societys_child wrote: »

A friend of mine, Bob the cop (high pursuit, firearms trained etc) got himself a cushy number. Sat at the side of a busy main road, in an unmarked car with a laptop on the passenger seat and camera on the dashboard, reading newspapers.

Everytime the laptop bleeped, he radioed the description and reg number to the gang of motorcycle cops a mile down and the cars were pulled. The database on the laptop was updated at the start of every shift from the DVLA and the PNC.

This is a few years ago, before police vehicles were routinely fitted with ANPR.

Things have changed . . .

Funny enough I've got a friend called Bob in the police as well! He tells a different story. Yes, the police will go out and assist the DVLA on operations in pulling un-taxed vehicles BUT its is not a specific interest to the police. I doubt very much would they use such highly trained officers to covertly search specifically for un-taxed cars.

FiremanDave

Tilt wrote: »

Not specifically, they don't. But as I said, seeing an out of date tax disc was a good enough reason to perform a stop.

So prior to the change in rules, what do you call stopping a car a issuing a fpn for failing to display a disc?

Tilt

FiremanDave wrote: »

So prior to the change in rules, what do you call stopping a car a issuing a fpn for failing to display a disc?

Failing to display a valid tax disc WAS a matter that the police would deal with. But it is different to actually not having 'road tax'. You could still be done even if you had road tax for failing to display. But of course that is now irrelevant.

FiremanDave

Tilt wrote: »

Failing to display a valid tax disc WAS a matter that the police would deal with. But it is different to actually not having 'road tax'. You could still be done even if you had road tax for failing to display. But of course that is now irrelevant.

Not having tax therefore failing to display was specifically dealt with by the police then?

Tilt

FiremanDave wrote: »

Not having tax therefore failing to display was specifically dealt with by the police then?

<SIGH> NO. The police would/can report you to the DVLA for having no road tax but it isn't within their remit to issue any kind of FPN themselves as opposed to failing to display a valid tax disc WAS a ticket-able 'offence' even if your car was 'taxed'.

All the police will do now is report a driver (or keeper) to the DVLA for having no tax. That is of course, if no other matters come to light IF they have stopped you due to an ANPR activation.

FiremanDave

Tilt wrote: »

<SIGH> NO. The police would/can report you to the DVLA for having no road tax but it isn't within their remit to issue any kind of FPN themselves as opposed to failing to display a valid tax disc WAS a ticket-able 'offence' even if your car was 'taxed'.

All the police will do now is report a driver (or keeper) to the DVLA for having no tax. That is of course, if no other matters come to light IF they have stopped you due to an ANPR activation.

So they won't sieze the car or issue a ticket for no tax on the Isle of White? They do on the mainland and correct me if I'm wrong but you're policed by Hampshire not your own force.

Tilt

FiremanDave wrote: »

So they won't sieze the car or issue a ticket for no tax on the Isle of White? They do on the mainland and correct me if I'm wrong but you're policed by Hampshire not your own force.

Lol not sure where the Isle of White is but no, the police won't seize or issue a ticket for having no tax anywhere. It is NOT specifically a police matter (for the umpteenth time). This is a matter for the DVLA who the police MAY assist.

The police CAN however seize a vehicle for having no insurance under 165 of the RTA once certain criteria has been met. Is that what you are talking about?

And yes, you are correct, the Isle of WIGHT is policed by Hampshire.

FiremanDave

Tilt wrote: »

Lol not sure where the Isle of White is but no, the police won't seize or issue a ticket for having no tax anywhere. It is NOT specifically a police matter (for the umpteenth time). This is a matter for the DVLA who the police MAY assist.

The police CAN however seize a vehicle for having no insurance under 165 of the RTA once certain criteria has been met. Is that what you are talking about?

And yes, you are correct, the Isle of WIGHT is policed by Hampshire.

So a bit of predictive text.

Check your other facts though as you aren't 100% correct.

Tilt

FiremanDave wrote: »

So a bit of predictive text.

Check your other facts though as you aren't 100% correct.

Which bit would you like me to "check"?

FiremanDave

Tilt wrote: »

Which bit would you like me to "check"?

How about starting here?:D

Tilt wrote: »

Lol not sure where the Isle of White is but no, the police won't seize or issue a ticket for having no tax anywhere. It is NOT specifically a police matter (for the umpteenth time). This is a matter for the DVLA who the police MAY assist.

The police CAN however seize a vehicle for having no insurance under 165 of the RTA once certain criteria has been met. Is that what you are talking about?

And yes, you are correct, the Isle of WIGHT is policed by Hampshire.