Should People move to other available seats if disabled seats are required on trains

Indie_Kid

Gymmers wrote: »

The point is -this is about basic decency and humanity. Stuff the 'I paid for a seat and there's no requirement for me to move'.

There is actually a requirement for someone to move if someone in a wheelchair needs that space. And there is signs up saying this.

I thought the disabled "just wanted to be treated like everyone else? "

No, they don't. they want to be treated better than everyone else.

Fair enough, but let's not pretend its anything else.

Actually we don't want to be treated better. Unless needing (not wanting) a seat is "wanting to be treated better than anyone else"?

Pollycat

JReacher1 wrote: »

I apologise I didn't notice the word "midlands" from your location.

As a cultural point not everyone from the NE is a Geordie so its a bit insulting to refer to them as such.

Your digs aside it still doesn't address the fundamental problem with you is that you choose (through laziness) to sit in the disabled section of a bus. You then decide when people get on whether they deserve the section more than yourself. If they pass this criteria you then move. People who are not instantly identifiable as needing those seats would be forced to sit somewhere else (or stand) just because you are not prepared to walk a bit further down the bus and sit in a standard seat.

I find that behaviour absolutely shocking!

Look, I do appreciate that you are finding this very hard to understand but - there is no disabled section on the buses I'm referring to.

There is a space for a wheelchair user.
If that space is not required by a wheelchair user, it can be used by someone with a baby buggy or mobility scooter.

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - that says those seats can only be used by disabled people.

In fact, on the contrary, the seats further back - they will be the ones that don't tip up to accommodate a wheelchair - do actually have a notice that says 'Please offer this seat to someone less able to stand'.

So that should indicate to you - although I doubt very much if you will understand - that those seats are seen as more suitable for the elderly and those with disabilities (visible or not) and not the pull-down seats I use.

This was pointed out in an earlier post, presumably it didn't suit your agenda to take note of that:

RichardD1970 wrote: »

From what has been posted they aren't "disabled seats" (the ones on the bus) but flip down seats which allow room for a wheelchair or buggies.

If they are the type that I think then no right minded person would use one except for very short hops. Anyone who is disabled and not in a wheel chair would be much more comfortable and probably more secure in the normal seats.

Something like this,

I can only conclude that you must be confusing these spaces for wheelchairs on buses with disabled parking spaces.

I have referred to this as 'a space for wheelchair users' - which is what the bus company call it.

You - for some reason known only to yourself - have decided to refer to this space as a 'disabled space'.

I explained this to you days ago:

Pollycat wrote: »

It's not a disabled space, it's a space for a wheelchair user if required or for buggies if not required by a wheelchair user.
That means wheelchair users get first dibs on that space, then people with buggies then anyone else.

In fact, looking at the notice from the bus company, any disabled person (if not in a wheelchair) would have to take their turn in the queue after someone with a buggy.

So by me using those drop down seats and being aware of any wheelchair users or baby buggies boarding and being ready to move, I am actually being more considerate to other passengers than those people who sit in the front fixed seats (they'll be the ones with 'Priority' stickers on the windows.

Therefore, there is no need for you to be 'shocked' at my behaviour - because I'm pretty sure that if push came to shove, I'd give up my seat to someone else before you even realised they needed it.

Retrogamer

Fuzzy_Duck wrote: »

This reminds me of something I experienced on a bus a few years ago, and I'm still angry with myself for not speaking up.

A blind lady with her guide dog boarded the bus and sat in the disabled seating area. Shortly afterwards two women got on with prams, took one look at the blind woman in what they perceived to be their seats, and both of them grabbed one of her arms each. They hauled her into one of the seats opposite, talking in syrupy tones about how she was better off there. These were the regular seats however with no room for her dog, who stuck out in the aisle. As if that wasn't bad enough, when they got off the bus they ran over the poor dog's paws with their prams.

Did not one bother to confront them about what they just done?

Fuzzy_Duck

Retrogamer wrote: »

Did not one bother to confront them about what they just done?

No, I can only assume everyone else on that bus was as cowardly as me I'd like to think they were equally outraged though!

System

I do tend to sit on the single priority seats, mainly because my disability means i struggle with public transport and get very panicky if i am closed in and surrounded by people i don't know, i have a disabed bus pass, and the seats are marked as prioroty seats for the disabled, pregnant, elderly and those with mobility problems. If i see someone in more need or struggling i will give up said seat even if it means i struggle. I've only encountered a problem once with this, when i sat on the single seat of a train, and some woman started ranting at me that i shouldn't be sat there as i am able bodied, this resulted in about 10 people all shouting at me which ended with me having a huge panic attack and being unable to use the train for a good few months after, i was too scared to even use them after that incident, it was very intimidating and shook me up a lot.