recommend some all round tyres

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

darkmatter101 wrote: »

Go drive a proper car before making uneducated statements.

Out of the mouths of babes,

Herzlos

Why do you get so defensive about the M3? It's a competent car, doesn't define you, and isn't desired by a lot of people.

darkmatter101

Herzlos wrote: »

Why do you get so defensive about the M3? It's a competent car, doesn't define you, and isn't desired by a lot of people.

I am defensive about the M3 because I own one and I have put in my hard earned cash to purchase it and to maintain it.

The M3 is certainly desired by a lot of people...I don't know where you come up with your assumptions. The E92 M3 is a masterpiece, especially its engine.

Herzlos

Ah. You're trying to justify spending so much on a car. Here's the thing; you don't need to justify it. You like it and that's enough. I wouldn't buy one but I'm twice your age.

JustinR1979

Why has this !!!!!!!! started again?
I fancy an M3, but it's just not worth the running costs. Would prefer the 330d, remapped would be as quick, or quicker 90% of the time; and the power would always be there, effortlessly.
Brother has a rwemapped E46 330d, and a 335i (E93?), and I much much much prefer the diesel, having to wait for the power in the petrol whereas it's always there in great lumps in the diesel.


The E46 M3 is a fantastic car, but please shut up about the fucking thing, it's not everyones cup of tea.


Remember Jason Plato and the photo with the custard?
You, your M3, and a tub of custard, or you don't own one...

OddballJamie

Herzlos wrote: »

Ah. You're trying to justify spending so much on a car. Here's the thing; you don't need to justify it. You like it and that's enough. I wouldn't buy one but I'm twice your age.

Let me guess... 28?

OddballJamie

JustinR1979 wrote: »

Remember Jason Plato and the photo with the custard?
You, your M3, and a tub of custard, or you don't own one...

Two Yaris (Yari, Yaris's?) both wearing ditchfinders and his girlfriend in an IS250.

Herzlos

Why do you get so defensive about the M3? It's a competent car, doesn't define you, and isn't desired by a lot of people.

Do you have a citation for the M3 being fundamentally different to the 3 series? Everything I've found points to it being based on a 3 series; common chassis, common parts, new engine. It's just a 3 series performance model like the amg, st, vxr, type R etc.

JustinR1979

Herzlos wrote: »

Why do you get so defensive about the M3? It's a competent car, doesn't define you, and isn't desired by a lot of people.

Do you have a citation for the M3 being fundamentally different to the 3 series? Everything I've found points to it being based on a 3 series; common chassis, common parts, new engine. It's just a 3 series performance model like the amg, st, vxr, type R etc.

There's a bit more to it than that, M do have quite a bit of involvement to be fair.
Upgraded interior (better seats, better headliner, better dash).
Upgraded exterior (better front bumper, better rear bumper, wider wings, better mirrors).
Transmission, suspension, engine, exhaust; just about everything is different.
They use higher quality lighter parts, they have tighter tolerances and they change a lot of parts that would not be able to handle the additional power from an M engine.
Many parts altered either for performance reasons or to deal with the higher power and tighter tolerances.
It's not a 330 with a few more horses.


There's never been a bad M3 or M5, and they're usually the car in class to try and beat
Their only downside is some of their owners.

darkmatter101

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you have a citation for the M3 being fundamentally different to the 3 series? Everything I've found points to it being based on a 3 series; common chassis, common parts, new engine. It's just a 3 series performance model like the amg, st, vxr, type R etc.

chassis: A general term that refers to all of the mechanical parts of a car attached to a structural frame. In cars with unitized construction, the chassis comprises everything but the body of the car.

I don't consider the body the chassis...

under this definition EVERYTHING is different.

engine
springs, shocks
hubs
differential
transmission
mounting brackets
front & rear control arms
tie rod ends
the steering rack
brakes
wheels

even the body is gusseted & welded for more strength/rigidity