my ex says he earns £156 a week.....

pugsley29

his housing costs are exactly to the penny 50% of his income, looks like he might have had an accountant sort this out for him :eek:, I'm not too surprised though.


I would say that he mortgage is too much for him if that is the case (he obviously earns more), he does run a business though, so he may have ofset the mortgage through the company of which he is a director. What I find strange is that he doesn't claim for travel costs to his business, maybe he has managed to hide it from the csa, it is a 30 mile round trip to his business at least.

JuliaJolie

one-non-blonde wrote: »

And mine!

My ex 'warned' me about a month ago that he wouldn't be earning anything for at least a year having left his previous (6 figure salary) job to set up on his own. He turned up last week in a brand new £50k+ car. Judging by the fact that there was a private plate on 'his' car which consisted of his partner's initials it looks like it's been bought and registered in her name - I've no doubt he'll also be merrily in the process of hiding all his future income too. She's part of this new business so I'd be willing to bet she's drawing a wage and he isn't. I can only wait and see what happens re maintenance come the end of the month. I sense a power struggle on the way...

And what is it with men who can't get it into their heads that the money they hand over is for the benefit of the children and is generally only a drop in the ocean of the true costs. (where's the banging your head off a brick wall smilie when you need it???! )

I'm not sure if this counts as hiding wages, but is he listed as a director of his company? If so then on his tax returns he's very highly likely to be putting an amount under the yearly tax-free allowance in the salary box (less than £5035 this year I think), and then paying himself tens of thousands in company dividends (on which he pays 7.5% less tax).

Often on tax returns I've seen women "working" for an employer and getting the odd £50k in dividends per year, only to turn out their employer was their husband (it's never the other way around! :rolleyes: ) - not to say they weren't gainfully employed, but I could imagine a lot of people escaping tax that way, by shifting income (specifically dividend income) to a partner who does not work/use up their tax-free allowance. Again, I'm not sure if "employing" one's partner counts as hiding wages - if the CSA take note that this is in fact going on, will this affect your current situation, or do the CSA only look at actual declared salary and not dividend income/shifted income?

kelloggs36

They only look at income and under CS2 dividends are ignored!!! It is possible to apply for a Variation on the grounds that either the NRP is living way beyond their means, in which case plenty of evidence is required, or that they have assets capable of producing an income, but those assets have to be worth over 65k.

pugsley29

I have seen the electoral register and a woman is living with him, she may be someone from one of his businesses , I had to pay to see anything else, so will have to go to the housing office to look manually I suppose


so if this is the case I need to find out who to call and ask for a varation as his housing costs cannot be justified (even if she is a lodger which I doubt), I have found out what she does for a living, do I have to prove she is helping out with the housing costs or will they ask for her accounts as well?

thanks in advance:beer:

pugsley29

just had a thought, if I ask for a variation now he would have a chance to change his and hers tax returns, but if they are organised they have to have their tax returns in by 31st Jan. So maybe I should wait until the 28th?

kelloggs36

pugsley29 wrote: »

I have seen the electoral register and a woman is living with him, she may be someone from one of his businesses , I had to pay to see anything else, so will have to go to the housing office to look manually I suppose


so if this is the case I need to find out who to call and ask for a varation as his housing costs cannot be justified (even if she is a lodger which I doubt), I have found out what she does for a living, do I have to prove she is helping out with the housing costs or will they ask for her accounts as well?

thanks in advance:beer:

All you need to establish is that they are living together and are partners. It matters not what her job is, as they will ask her to provide details of her income so that they can determine the % to apportion in respect of housing costs. If she won't comply, then they will assume 50% split. You can just ask your case officer for a form to apply for a variation. Under CS1 questions about lodgers are also asked, so you can make that allegation which he can deny and prove that they are together, or he can deny they are partners and claim that she pays him lodgings which would be counted as income.

pugsley29

Yes you are right, either way he is going to have to prove something, and they are strict about not informing them of changes too

thanks I might have enough to go forward then now

mum2one

michael1983!! wrote: »

I would say don't have a child with anyone unless they marry you

If only life was that simple - a wedding ring makes hardly any difference!

mum2one

bingo_bango wrote: »

As a man who has been there and done that, can I have moment of EVERYONE'S time. NRP's and PWC's who have been wronged.

I have two great kids, ds and dd. When I left, I agreed voluntary contributions with my ex. It was approx 30% of my weekly take home. After 2 years (stuck in the same job, and bosses who were taking the p*ss), I wasn't earning much more. I was still living in a bedsit, eating frozen chips and such (no internet, so didn't know about this site), and having a miserable time. But I still got to see the kids every week.
Next thing, I got a letter from CSA. Provided a statement of earnings, had a huge row with my ex, and then got an assessment from CSA for £5.10 per week for BOTH kids. Even I could see that was wrong.
However, as a result of CSA involvement, I ended up in family court on countless occasions. There was a lot of mudslinging, from both sides, but the judge granted me a Parental Responsibilty Order (PRO). I also agreed to mediation through a court appointed social worker, and that gave me access to the kids (only monthly initially...you have no idea how hard that was).

Since then, things have moved on. My ex is now married, and has another two kids. I see my own kids at least once a week, and get on well with her other kids.. I pay regularly towards their upkeep (school fees, uniforms etc), and am happy to spend any spare cash on them.
We are all happy to spend time with one another, including my fiancee (although have to tell ex to get off phone sometimes!), and you know what. I'd give up all I have to be as I am now, and not have had to go through all that in the past.

As a father, I love the fact that my kids want to spend time with me. I have made it clear to them and my ex, that if they decide to go to Uni, I'm happy to fund as much as I can (I'd love to see them walk out with no debt!), and will happily let them live with me rent free while they go.
In short, they can have what I have. As long as I can pay the bills, and get to buy the odd pint, they can have the rest.

NRP's, you have a child. A son or daughter who will look up to you in the future. If you think you're screwing the system by not paying up, then you need to think long and hard about your future.

If you don't look after your kids, do you think they'll look after you when you need it (I speak from bitter experience with my own father, although if needed, I know I'll give him what he needs). They want you to be part of their life, even if it's only in a small way.
If you couldn't give a toss, then !!!!!! walk away and find a bridge to fall off.

PWC's. All I ask is that you don't poison your childs mind. All it takes is a flippant remark like 'Your father doesn't call because he doesn't love you!' Easily said when you feel low, but not in the least constructive to anyone. I've had that said to mine when my ex blatently denied access, but at least my kids asked why I didn't love them. Mind you, that was FOUR years after I regained access. That took some explaining believe me, and there wasn't a day passed that I didn't think about them.

Your children are not tools of war. They're human beings, and they're a hell of a lot smarter than you probaly give them credit for!

I like to think that my kids have learned from all this. All children will from this situation, but at least mine won't hate me.

Sorry for all that, but all I've seen on these threads is 'I can't get'. or 'I won't give'. !!!!!! wise up people.......you've got other things to worry about.

I wish my dds dad was even 1% of the man you were,
Shes 5, he has had nowt to do with her, have walked past him in the street and he has blanked me, he does not pay a penny - too stressed to work - long term incapicaty benefit - lets all get the tissues out for him.....

pugsley29

I think because I'm on the old system I would have to apply for a departure, rather than the new system variation, I have not found any infomation as yet on new partners under the old scheme, but I know it counts as grounds for a variation under the new scheme.


I'm am planning to go to work soon so would I be moved to the new scheme then?

Would applying for a departure make my assessment come under the new scheme, all I can find is that they are not moving old scheme assessments to the new scheme as they are setting up the new support agency, my daughter is likely to be grown up and at work/college herself before I go onto a new scheme in 2011/12

.Notified change of circumstances
A non-resident parent, or a parent or person with care,
may apply to the Agency, by phone or in writing, if there
has been a change of circumstances. If the party reporting
the change does not provide sufficient information, the
Dept will not change the assessment. Any new
assessment will be made on the notified change and will,
as well, take into account any other information relating to
change of circumstances known to the Decision Maker at
the time. If the party reports a change of circumstances
about the other party, they must provide evidence before
the Decision Maker will consider a change.
When an assessment is changed because of a notified
change of circumstances, the amount of the assessment
will normally only change if the difference between the
original and the fresh assessment would be more than £10
a week. Where, however, the non-resident parent is paying
reduced maintenance because of the effect of the
protected income calculation, the assessment will change
if the new assessment would be at least £5 more or at
least £1 less than the old amount.
If there is a change in the qualifying children of the nonresident
parent a new assessment will only be made if the
difference between the old and the new assessment is
over £1.
A new assessment will always be made in cases where
the non-resident parent starts to receive or stops receiving
Income Support or income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance,
otherwise has a nil assessment income or where he pays
the minimum amount.
Disputed decisions and revisions
The following is only a guide, with regard to disputed
decisions and revisions, it does not cover every situation.
More detailed information can be found in the Social
Security (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 and the DMA and
Child Support Regulations
If a parent with care or non-resident parent is dissatisfied
with an assessment, a refusal to make an assessment, or
a refusal to change an assessment, they may contact the
Agency by phone or in writing, to dispute the decision of
the Decision Maker on the grounds that it was made in
ignorance of a relevant fact or it was based on a mistake
as to a relevant fact or was wrong in law. The Decision
Maker will then re-examine the disputed decision and will
explain the decision to the customer.
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