Tesco consider adding the points of discarded receipt as theft

Money-Saving-King

Cornucopia wrote: »

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

Why have you even wrote this, it didn't go to court!

=Cornucopia;66287649UK 2014: Guilty if deemed so in the court of Tescos.

It's their shop they can do what you want. How about if we turn this around on you? If I went to your house and said I'm staying forever are you telling me you as the owner (or person renting, in other words you see it as your home) that you wouldn't tell me no? Surely you'd want to tell me to go away and not come back? But yet you deny Tesco this with your argument.

gik

Cornucopia wrote: »

Where can I get one of the crystal balls they are obviously issuing to Tesco's guards?

They should stick to CCTV IMHO.

Nice and easy, that way. See a crime involving real objects, catch criminal, alert authorities.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

UK 2014: Guilty if deemed so in the court of Tescos.

The OP has held their hands up on MSE and stated 'I went to the customer service with the discarded receipt to get the 2 points. They have admitted their 'guilt'.

Cornucopia

Money-Saving-King wrote: »

Why have you even wrote this, it didn't go to court!

Exactly.

It's their shop they can do what you want. How about if we turn this around on you? If I went to your house and said I'm staying forever are you telling me you as the owner (or person renting, in other words you see it as your home) that you wouldn't tell me no? Surely you'd want to tell me to go away and not come back? But yet you deny Tesco this with your argument.

The whole purpose of Tescos is to be open to the public. My flat... not so much. So not really a great comparison.

But even if we accept the comparison for the sake of argument, you over-staying your welcome in my humble abode does not give me the right to do what I like with you. The law still applies, just as it does on the premises known as Tescos.

Cornucopia

gik wrote: »

The OP has held their hands up on MSE and stated 'I went to the customer service with the discarded receipt to get the 2 points. They have admitted their 'guilt'.

That's not how the law works.

gik

Are you claiming Tesco have broken the law? Indeed are you saying every shop in the UK are wrong in banning people who shoplift without going to Court?

Money-Saving-King

Cornucopia wrote: »

The whole purpose of Tescos is to be open to the public.

No that isn't the whole purpose of Tesco. The whole purpose of Tesco is to make a profit. Anything which may end up being a threat to that they won't want. They can then choose to deal with those threats in any way they see fit.

There is no civil right for any member of the public to be allowed entry into a Tesco.

Nilrem

Money-Saving-King wrote: »

No that isn't the whole purpose of Tesco. The whole purpose of Tesco is to make a profit. Anything which may end up being a threat to that they won't want. They can then choose to deal with those threats in any way they see fit.

There is no civil right for any member of the public to be allowed entry into a Tesco.

Pretty much summed up in a nutshell.

It's the same as any private property, the owners (or their authorised representatives) can ban anyone for almost any reason at any time.

People have been banned from entire shopping centres for minor theft, or even just refused entry/asked to leave due to their clothing in the past.

The op did something that was against the rules of the scheme (and I'm completely ignoring that we don't have both sides of the story, just the op's own admission), that is enough for the store to refuse the person further use of the scheme.

IIRC a police officer was one amongst several people prosecuted for using discarded receipts to get points back before Tesco tightened up their rules and enforcement (IIRC there were several cases where it turned out people had made hundreds/thousands of pounds of profit using discarded receipts).

Cornucopia

Nilrem wrote: »

...that is enough for the store to refuse the person further use of the scheme.

That's not what they did.

Cornucopia

Money-Saving-King wrote: »

No that isn't the whole purpose of Tesco. The whole purpose of Tesco is to make a profit. Anything which may end up being a threat to that they won't want. They can then choose to deal with those threats in any way they see fit.

You can quibble about cause and effect, but they wouldn't make much money if they weren't open to the public, would they?

I like your phraseology, there, BTW. "Threat to profits" sums up exactly what I am concerned about.

Oh, and they still can't "deal" with people in "any way they see fit"... not legally, anyway.

There is no civil right for any member of the public to be allowed entry into a Tesco.

We are born into a consumer society, and for most people shopping has practical and cultural significance in our lives.

As the traditional High Street gives way more and more to privately owned retail spaces of one sort or another, we are more and more subject to the whims of private companies, and I think that's wrong. A public space ought to be subject to solely to the laws of the land, and if shops/shopping centres don't like that, they can become private membership clubs, and see how that works for them.

techspec

getzls wrote: »

I know a Security Guard, whilst working at Tesco got the sack for trying to cash in someone else's points.

Probably this one - he wanted the 2 points for himself :rotfl: