How would the UK fare without Scotland?

IveSeenTheLight

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Better together....

:beer:

Are you spamming.
this was the same post you made on another thread to which I replied

Better Together for London and the South East.

IveSeenTheLight

chewmylegoff wrote: »

What do you think happened to all the other 300-1 shots that there aren't any news stories about?

My point is that results are not conclusive against the odds.
There are many examples when long shots overcome adversity to win.

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

Too off topic even for me!

It's about odds and I used an example which is close to your heart.

Seems like you are conceding that Tottenham will never win the Premier League.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

this was the same post you made on another thread to which I replied

Better Together for London and the South East.

And as was pointed out to you there, you are incorrect....

antrobus wrote: »

The Financial Times’ analysis of more up-to-date figures on jobseekers’ allowance claimants, house prices and business activity tell a different story.

London and the South East are indeed growing strongly, but the recovery seems to have reached almost everywhere else, too.

And;

In this recovery, there are only two regions that seem to have lagged behind the rest, says Richard Holt, regional economist at Capital Economics.

One is Northern Ireland, ....The other region is the North East,

From the FT March 2014:

Budget 2014: Regional figures reveal UK growth evenly spread

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/020649da-af4e-11e3-9cd1-00144feab7de.html

Generali

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It's about odds and I used an example which is close to your heart.

Seems like you are conceding that Tottenham will never win the Premier League.

Groan. Really?

Tottenham won't win the league this year. If you'd asked me a decade ago I'd have said Man City would 'never' win the league. Two decades ago, Chealski would 'never' win the league.

Maybe Spurs will never win the league, maybe they will. Never, as Prince said, is a mighty long time. I guess that's why everyone with a brain is very keen to prevent the upcoming No vote from becoming a 'Neverendum'.

ruggedtoast

Generali wrote: »

Groan. Really?

Tottenham won't win the league this year. If you'd asked me a decade ago I'd have said Man City would 'never' win the league. Two decades ago, Chealski would 'never' win the league.

Maybe Spurs will never win the league, maybe they will. Never, as Prince said, is a mighty long time. I guess that's why everyone with a brain is very keen to prevent the upcoming No vote from becoming a 'Neverendum'.

Considering what a fine job the SNP and the Yes campaign have done so far in undermining confidence in Scotland, I would have thought there would be little appetite to continue the fiasco.

Generali

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Considering what a fine job the SNP and the Yes campaign have done so far in undermining confidence in Scotland, I would have thought there would be little appetite to continue the fiasco.

I think the worst thing that could come out of the (likely) No vote is an animosity between the ~35% that will vote Yes and the ~45% that will vote No.

The SNP, upon losing this vote, are likely to be pushed further and further into racist animosity. After all, this will be the second chance for Scotland to vote on 'freedom' (ha! as if they're under the yoke) and the second time they'll have turned it down.

Generali

PS Yes has moved out again to 6.4. If you don't have an account then you can open a new one and get 12-1 when the matched bet is taken into account. It's not even like this is a thin market now. You can have over £3,000 on at those odds to win over £20,000.

Personally, I wouldn't take anything below 25s now. I just can't see a way back for Yes without a huge balls up by No. As the days tick past, the opportunities for No to get it wrong reduce, hence the odds increasing IMHO.

zagubov

Generali wrote: »

I think the worst thing that could come out of the (likely) No vote is an animosity between the ~35% that will vote Yes and the ~45% that will vote No.

The SNP, upon losing this vote, are likely to be pushed further and further into racist animosity. After all, this will be the second chance for Scotland to vote on 'freedom' (ha! as if they're under the yoke) and the second time they'll have turned it down.

When was the first? The gerrymandered Home Rule vote in the 70s where the dead counted as NO voters, and most of the voters voted YES?

And were the SNP behind that? Or was that another Labour fiasco?

The SNP will survive a NO vote perfectly well unless the Labour party get a successful competence transplant from somewhere unexpected in the political arena.

And I'm fascinated by the assumption that the SNP are already in racist animosity so they can get further and further into it. Please give examples if you can.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

When was the first? The gerrymandered Home Rule vote in the 70s where the dead counted as NO voters, and most of the voters voted YES?

And were the SNP behind that? Or was that another Labour fiasco?

The SNP will survive a NO vote perfectly well unless the Labour party get a successful competence transplant from somewhere unexpected in the political arena.

And I'm fascinated by the assumption that the SNP are already in racist animosity so they can get further and further into it. Please give examples if you can.

the difficulty is the SNP position is that it wants independence from the UK
but it is immediately willing to give that independence away to Europe ( in fact demands to be allowed to give it away)


so its difficult to see why the SNP can be passionate about an 'independence' that simply swaps interdependence with England for the same with Europe, without concluding there is a dislike of the English.