How would the UK fare without Scotland?

zagubov

beecher2 wrote: »

It was over 40 years ago so not really comparable. It wouldn't get light here until 10am in the depths of winter - I would personally hate that as I'd be getting up 4 hours before daybreak.

I'm a morning person though so prefer daylight in the morning rather than evening. Would be good if work could be more flexible and we could change our hours of work according to the season.

It's complicated by the fact that Scotland's to the west of England (ie Edinburgh's west of Bristol, and I think Glasgow's sunrise is about 18 minuets after London's.)

There's no reason why the zones in the same country wouldn't work. In the US some cities have suburbs an hour ahead/behind the city centre.

Lots of people like a long lie in in the morning. Also lots of people like to stay up late. I suggest we shift the clock and the working hours accordingly, say about three hours ahead.

We'll all get to stay up till 3 AM in the morning, get up between 10 and 11 AM and start work about 11 AM. At least that's what the people and the clocks will say. The actual real times can remain precisely as they are, of course, but we'd think we're living a privileged comfier life where we've controlled the clocks instead of the other way round!

CLAPTON

beecher2 wrote: »

Yes, but are more likely now to be driven home than they were in the 60s. Pupils also have shorter lunch breaks in Scotland than they did in the 60s and 70s so on some days leave school between 2 and 3pm, depending on the authority.

My point is that life is very different now to it was 40 odd years ago.

life has indeed changed in the last 40 years
but it seems odd to exclude discussion of lighter evening and only refer to darker morning

in any event there seems to be agreement that there would be savings in energy usage

beecher2

CLAPTON wrote: »

life has indeed changed in the last 40 years
but it seems odd to exclude discussion of lighter evening and only refer to darker morning

in any event there seems to be agreement that there would be savings in energy usage

I'm not excluding discussion - I'm more interested in darker mornings personally as I dread the thought of getting up 4 hours before sunrise.

I must've missed the discussion on energy usage - how would that improve?

ruggedtoast

beecher2 wrote: »

I'm not excluding discussion - I'm more interested in darker mornings personally as I dread the thought of getting up 4 hours before sunrise.

I must've missed the discussion on energy usage - how would that improve?

Well vote No then because if Scotland leaves then England isnt going to keep accommodating a daylight saving policy that doesnt benefit any of us, and as all your companies are going to have to accommodate the UK's 9-5 whether Salmond likes it or not, then welcome to dark mornings.

You arent getting any more or less hours of sunlight, you just wouldnt be massively inconveniencing the 55 million people who dont choose to live in The Northern Republic of Salmondy Britain - or whatever you splittists are going to end up being

Road deaths went down when they experimented with abandoning the time change, but oh no, as usual the dog gets wagged by the tail again, and again... and as usual the tail has no appreciation at all.

danothy

I dread the thought of the sun setting before the working day ends. Lighter evenings get my vote.

beecher2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Well vote No then because if Scotland leaves then England isnt going to keep accommodating a daylight saving policy that doesnt benefit any of us, and as all your companies are going to have to accommodate the UK's 9-5 whether Salmond likes it or not, then welcome to dark mornings.

You arent getting any more or less hours of sunlight, you just wouldnt be massively inconveniencing the 55 million people who dont choose to live in The Northern Republic of Salmondy Britain - or whatever you splittists are going to end up being

Road deaths went down when they experimented with abandoning the time change, but oh no, as usual the dog gets wagged by the tail again, and again... and as usual the tail has no appreciation at all.

Wow. You seem a bit wound up about something which I explained was my personal preference. Like the scaremongering though - vote NO or else we'll make you get up in the dark. Your analogy of the dog and the tail does sum up the reasons why you just don't get it though.

Good point about not getting any more or less hours of sunlight though - I think a lot of people forget this, and we probably all just focus on mornings/evenings depending on whether we're morning/night people, and when we commute. I work 8 - 4 so I suppose I'm already doing the time change thing.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

what was the result of the experiment made a few years ago?
were more scottish children injured or killed during the period of the experiment than before or after?

I don;t recall any experiment during my lifetime

IveSeenTheLight

beecher2 wrote: »

It was over 40 years ago so not really comparable.

Ah, that explains why I don't recall this experiment

beecher2 wrote: »

It wouldn't get light here until 10am in the depths of winter - I would personally hate that as I'd be getting up 4 hours before daybreak.

Is it worth considering moving the clocks back further then?
the US have different time zones, so independence or not, why can't Scotland have a timezone that suits it's people.

Before people jump in with business hours, I deal with countries all round the world and different time zones so dealing with an England that's an hour or two out of sync would not be insurmountable

beecher2 wrote: »

I'm a morning person though so prefer daylight in the morning rather than evening. Would be good if work could be more flexible and we could change our hours of work according to the season.

It's a balance as we also see darkness by 16:00 so we need to consider this side of the coin also.

As for business, many businesses are adaptable and flexible to suit their and their customers needs.

I have a customer that works 06:00 - 14:00, despite many of his suppliers being 08:00 - 16:00 or 09:00 - 17:00

ruggedtoast

beecher2 wrote: »

Wow. You seem a bit wound up about something which I explained was my personal preference. Like the scaremongering though - vote NO or else we'll make you get up in the dark. Your analogy of the dog and the tail does sum up the reasons why you just don't get it though.

Good point about not getting any more or less hours of sunlight though - I think a lot of people forget this, and we probably all just focus on mornings/evenings depending on whether we're morning/night people, and when we commute. I work 8 - 4 so I suppose I'm already doing the time change thing.

Every time someone points out a likely consequence of Scottish separatism to a Scottish separatist that that separatist is scared of, they are accused of scaremongering.

Considering that the UK is going to comprise 70% of Scotland's exports and imports what are Scottish companies going to do when the phones are ringing at 8am and not ringing at 4pm? I imagine they will tell their workers to come to work an hour early.

That scenario is not scaremongering. I'm not scared of it, I welcome the end of a pointless time change that doesnt benefit anyone within 7 hours drive of me.

beecher2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Every time someone points out a likely consequence of Scottish separatism to a Scottish separatist that that separatist is scared of, they are accused of scaremongering.

Considering that the UK is going to comprise 70% of Scotland's exports and imports what are Scottish companies going to do when the phones are ringing at 8am and not ringing at 4pm? I imagine they will tell their workers to come to work an hour early.

That scenario is not scaremongering. I'm not scared of it, I welcome the end of a pointless time change that doesnt benefit anyone within 7 hours drive of me.

Well, it is hardly a 'likely consequence' that I'll have to get up an hour earlier if Scotland votes YES. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I'm 100% confident I will not have to get up at 5am in these circumstances. Other than that, great point well made.:rotfl: