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How would the UK fare without Scotland?

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  • .string.
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    oh dear:
    the bitterness of 700 years really rots the soul

    I can recognise a clumsy insult when i see it (not necessarily directly from yourself of course).
    Union, not Disunion

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  • MumOf2
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    I'd seen this 'rotUK' before and find it incredible that some posters on here actually continue to believe that anti-English racism isn't alive and kicking in Scotland. Which planet are they living on?


    This is a drive to separate from the hated English in hated England. And calling it 'Westminster' is just semantics - what is really meant is 'England'. Why can't you just be honest and admit it.
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  • sss555s
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    MumOf2 wrote: »
    I'd seen this 'rotUK' before and find it incredible that some posters on here actually continue to believe that anti-English racism isn't alive and kicking in Scotland. Which planet are they living on?


    This is a drive to separate from the hated English in hated England. And calling it 'Westminster' is just semantics - what is really meant is 'England'. Why can't you just be honest and admit it.


    This proves that even though you live in Scotland, you don't have a clue.
  • MumOf2
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    sss555s wrote: »
    This proves that even though you live in Scotland, you don't have a clue.



    Have a read up of Gramsci's notions of hegemony. You might find it enlightening.
    MumOf4
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  • .string.
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    Yes MumOf2, there are so many uses of "English Euphemisms" hinting at "The English" in the SNP campaign. They seem to be a mainstay of the strategy to influence people in spite of protestations to the contrary.

    For my part I try to reserve my ire for the Yes/SNP lot who would destroy our country and not cast aspersions at Scotland which is a valued part of our Union.
    Union, not Disunion

    I have a Right Wing and a Left Wing.
    It's the only way to fly straight.
  • MumOf2 wrote: »
    I'd seen this 'rotUK' before and find it incredible that some posters on here actually continue to believe that anti-English racism isn't alive and kicking in Scotland. Which planet are they living on?


    This is a drive to separate from the hated English in hated England. And calling it 'Westminster' is just semantics - what is really meant is 'England'. Why can't you just be honest and admit it.

    I must admit I was shocked at Scotland portrayed itself at the recent Commonwealth Games and displayed how much hatred there was towards the English competitors.

    I was further horrified to see the clear animosity displayed on "Tumble" where the Scottish athletes did all they could to disrupt the English athletes during their routine on Saturday night, because of their deep inset racism toward the English.

    What was Louis Smith thinking collaborating with such hatred neighbours

    Nevermind MumOf2, you'll soon be out of this horrid homeland of your birth. I very much hope it puts your perceived mind at rest.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world, the majority of us Scots will continue to foster a warm friendly relationship with our friends, family and colleagues in England.
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    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
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  • .string.
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    Meanwhile, back in the real world, the majority of us Scots will continue to foster a warm friendly relationship with our friends, family and colleagues in England.

    Yes that's probably true because the "No Thanks" campaign looks like winning the Referendum.

    When the results are in you will really have to come to terms with the fact that Scotland is not the same as the SNP/Yes campaign. In the meantime dream on.
    Union, not Disunion

    I have a Right Wing and a Left Wing.
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  • MumOf2
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    Nevermind MumOf2, you'll soon be out of this horrid homeland of your birth. I very much hope it puts your perceived mind at rest.

    .



    I think you've missed something somewhere - I'm English, born and bred and my husband is English, born and bred. That's why I've been targeted with racist comments, attacking me because I'm English but having the temerity to actually live in Scotland. Paying a heck of a lot of tax and national insurance, contributing to the community and to music and the performing arts, improving the prospects of tens of thousands of young people.


    Even professional colleagues are getting on the bandwagon now - snide comments often made in company and with a laugh to try to make it a joke, meetings peppered with side or sotto voce remarks, or planning for when we're independent, not if. Both of us just keep quiet and brush it off as passions running rather too high at the moment.


    As I suggested to your fellow sympathiser, Gramscian notions of hegemony would be an enlightening read.
    MumOf4
    Quit Date: 20th November 2009, 7pm

  • MumOf2 wrote: »
    I think you've missed something somewhere - I'm English, born and bred and my husband is English, born and bred. That's why I've been targeted with racist comments, attacking me because I'm English but having the temerity to actually live in Scotland. Paying a heck of a lot of tax and national insurance, contributing to the community and to music and the performing arts, improving the prospects of tens of thousands of young people.


    .

    I know a lot of English people living in Scotland, many of them close friends who have lived here for decades. I can honestly say I have never heard one of them complain of being subject to racist abuse in all the time I have known them.

    I'm not doubting your experience, just sharing my own for balance.
    ''He who takes no offence at anyone either on account of their faults, or on account of his own suspicious thoughts, has knowledge of God and of things devine.''
  • MumOf2
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    I know a lot of English people living in Scotland, many of them close friends who have lived here for decades. I can honestly say I have never heard one of them complain of being subject to racist abuse in all the time I have known them.

    I'm not doubting your experience, just sharing my own for balance.



    Thank you for your balancing view. We hadn't encountered this until the past year. And I'm sure there are plenty others who have never been subject to racist abuse, just as there are plenty of people living in England who have never been targeted racially (whatever race they are). I'm just saying that when you are targeted, it's rather disturbing and unsettling. Particularly when the most frequent abuser is accompanied by a huge and aggressive rotweiler!


    Got the answer to this one, though - we never ever go near where he lives and walks, and if he decides to vary his route and we see him from a distance, we just turn tail and avoid him at all costs.
    MumOf4
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