How would the UK fare without Scotland?

CLAPTON

DaveTheMus wrote: »

To be successful, foreign policy must be selfish....

yes indeed, but there's the rub


the SNP wants separation form the English at any price, so it's policies won't be in the selfish best interests of the people that live in Scotland but to achieve separation from the hated English to satisfy the mad lunatics that run the SNP.

Thrugelmir

Generali wrote: »

It won't have to. The British Government has said that the UK would retain the debt and would expect Scotland to make payments to the Treasury as liabilities come due to be paid.

Still requires Scotland to issue a considerable amount of "debt". As average maturity of UK Gilts is under 15 years.

DaveTheMus

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes indeed, but there's the rub


the SNP wants separation form the English at any price, so it's policies won't be in the selfish best interests of the people that live in Scotland but to achieve separation from the hated English to satisfy the mad lunatics that run the SNP.

Maybe...

The point I was making was, an elected politician should always try to get the best deal for the country he represents. Retaining benefits yet at the same time excluding liabilities is exactly the correct thing to do.

Ruggedtoast is essentially stamping his feet saying thats not fair. He is right, it's not fair.......oh well.

Generali

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Still requires Scotland to issue a considerable amount of "debt". As average maturity of UK Gilts is under 15 years.

Yes although very different from having to find £100,000,000,000 up front!

I assume that the presumption is that Scotland would take on maturing debt as it matures, ie each time a Gilt matures Scotland would be expected to find funds to cover it either by issuing new debt or by simply paying it off.

I predict a large bun fight as to whether the debt owned by the Bank of England is actually debt and who owns it: the UK, Scotland or a mix of the two.

CLAPTON

DaveTheMus wrote: »

Maybe...

The point I was making was, an elected politician should always try to get the best deal for the country he represents. Retaining benefits yet at the same time excluding liabilities is exactly the correct thing to do.

Ruggedtoast is essentially stamping his feet saying thats not fair. He is right, it's not fair.......oh well.

yes, a rational government will try to get the best deal for their citizens which is why they are relatively easy to deal with.


sadly, obsessed madmen are only interested in their obsession;
we are seeing this today in Gaza
but in this discussion the obsession is with breaking away from the hated English no matter the cost.

Shakethedisease

How will the UK fare without Scotland ? I dunno.. but there's another 10 years of Trident etc if there's a No vote.

A new agreement critical to Britain's Trident nuclear weapons system, was signed the other day by British and US officials.
Whitehall was silent. We had to rely on the White House, and a message from Barack Obama to the US Congress, to tell us that the 1958 UK-US Mutual Defence Agreement (MDA) had been updated.
A new amendment to the treaty will last for 10 years...

However, the content of the new agreement will remain secret. To reveal them, Whitehall officials say, could "assist proliferation" of nuclear weapons.
That is a curious comment given that both the US and UK insist the agreement does not in any way breach their obligations under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/defence-and-security-blog/2014/jul/29/nuclear-weapons-us-uk-cooperation

Isn't that just peachy ? Of course, how this will go down with soft no's, undecided, women and Labour voters in Scotland ?.. I suspect not so peachy. Is all over Twitter at the moment. Be headlines soon, or it would if Whitehall didn't want anyone to notice it of course.

But it has been.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

How will the UK fare without Scotland ? I dunno.. but there's another 10 years of Trident etc if there's a No vote.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/defence-and-security-blog/2014/jul/29/nuclear-weapons-us-uk-cooperation

Isn't that just peachy ? Of course, how this will go down with soft no's, undecided, women and Labour voters in Scotland ?.. I suspect not so peachy. Is all over Twitter at the moment. Be headlines soon, or it would if Whitehall didn't want anyone to notice it of course.

But it has been.

Maybe that's the dumb thing that No had to do to hand victory to Yes who are getting rather badly beaten in this race. However, a quick Google seems to show supporters of Trident outnumber opponents by about 50:35. I suspect that you're making the mistake of believing that what people who agree with you that are Scottish think is the same as what Scots think. It's all too easy to do, especially in the Internet age where you are pushed news you agree with.

Yes continues to slip on Betfair.

DaveTheMus

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes, a rational government will try to get the best deal for their citizens which is why they are relatively easy to deal with.


sadly, obsessed madmen are only interested in their obsession;
we are seeing this today in Gaza
but in this discussion the obsession is with breaking away from the hated English no matter the cost.

Interesting, I never knew you were part of high level discussions with other rational international Governments. Are you allowed to discuss it or is it top-secret?



And your obsession is pointing out how much Alex Salmond hates the English in every thread about Scottish independence.....

Give it a rest, we heard you the first twenty times.....

But you won't will you, you'll keep banging away about how 'obsessed' Salmond is...

CLAPTON

DaveTheMus wrote: »

Interesting, I never knew you were part of high level discussions with other rational international Governments. Are you allowed to discuss it or is it top-secret?



And your obsession is pointing out how much Alex Salmond hates the English in every thread about Scottish independence.....

Give it a rest, we heard you the first twenty times.....

But you won't will you, you'll keep banging away about how 'obsessed' Salmond is...

ah the usual nationalist bullying tactics showing themselves again.

the facts are that Salmon's one and only objective is to break the 'visible' link with the English.

all else doesn't matter, so matters of 'independence' or jobs or wealth or control of the Scottish economy don't matter in the least, as long as he has broken that hated English link.


It's a vital and important issue for the voters of Scotland so it's well worth repeating.

Cyberman60

Many Scots don't care about their economy or wealth going forward and I've heard that from the horses mouth. They want separation at any cost as they hate the English. When heart rules head you are in for a fall !! Salmond made a big mistake in not allowing the English a vote as independence would be assured.