I hate apple!

consumers_revenge

Rant warning....


Why do they insist on making everything so totally over complicated just to make themselves look clever?


Im spending ages just trying to find how to synch a ipod shuffle with some podcasts. Argggggggggghhh


At this rate I want to get my sony Walkman back out the cupboard so I can listen to some music.


Thanks Apple!!!!!!! Their online help is either out of date or just doesn't relate to what youre looking at.


Rant over


Cant wait to get back to an android phone - should never have bought into all the hype...


CR

John_Gray

You seem to have come to an acceptable conclusion.
But I'm not sure what was the point of your post!

kwikbreaks

Probably more suited to the Praise, Vent & Warnings board. The tech board is already polarised into Appleophiles and Appleophobes as this thread will surely show unless it dies a desrved death.

May as well add that I hate iTunes too and advised my daughter to chuck the iPod she'd won in the bin rather than risk her golden locks as I wouldn't be offering any assistance at all.

Stoke

Certainly a place for both Apple and Non-Apple products in this world. Personally, I wouldn't touch Apple with a barge pole, but hey, that's me.

matj16

I love apple how dare you! (joking of course)

i do love my iphone but i agree that itunes et all is somewhat complicated for ipods etc.

on the flip side i find android more complicated through general use day to day. When the screen on my galazy S1 smashed i was hardly upset haha. iphone replacement soon followed.

each to their own

Stoke

matj16 wrote: »

I love apple how dare you! (joking of course)

i do love my iphone but i agree that itunes et all is somewhat complicated for ipods etc.

on the flip side i find android more complicated through general use day to day. When the screen on my galazy S1 smashed i was hardly upset haha. iphone replacement soon followed.

each to their own

It's one of those isn't it? I was a massive Symbian fanboy until the later models when I started to think they'd reached the end of their life and I needed to switch to a proper smartphone OS with decent apps and a good userbase. A mate of mine got a Galaxy S1 when they were Samsung's flagship device and I was so impressed. It was a truly terrific phone. It seemed to do everything my Symbian did, just... better, quicker, smoother and with the most incredible apps with the original Market which was arguably as good if not better than the current one!

Anyway, after looking at a number of cheap new Android devices at that time (Orange San Francisco, ZTE Blade, Sony X8 etc) I found someone selling a second hand iPhone 3GS and I figured, well if the S1 is good then an iPhone will be good too! They're competitors after all. How bitterly disappointed I was. Signal was poor, call quality was poor, apps (the supposed standout feature of the iPhone) seemed unrefined and bland. Even simple features from my Symbian phone were missing and I found it very hard to do what may be considered more 'Advanced' tasks. I didn't need a child friendly phone. I needed a proper smartphone. The symbian device allowed me to do things that the iPhone couldn't.

I sold the iPhone (which I've spoken about a few times on here as I ended up having an eBay nightmare) and eventually got an S1 on a very reasonable contract. I used it right up until February last year and still keep it as my permanent backup. Still possible to put the newest Android on it.

Good Android phones last the test of time. Apple phones don't.

Moneymaker

consumers_revenge wrote: »

Why do they insist on making everything so totally over complicated just to make themselves look clever?

In my personal experience, they don't.

consumers_revenge wrote: »

Im spending ages just trying to find how to synch a ipod shuffle with some podcasts.

Launch iTunes on your Mac.
Connect iPod.
Select the items you want to add.
Click "Sync" button.

almillar

So you're running iTunes, you plug your Shuffle into your computer, it appears in iTunes, you click on it, across the top should be Music, Podcasts, Videos etc (maybe less for a shuffle) and you go into these categories and choose what to sync. Where are you having the problem?

matj16

Stoke wrote: »

It's one of those isn't it? I was a massive Symbian fanboy until the later models when I started to think they'd reached the end of their life and I needed to switch to a proper smartphone OS with decent apps and a good userbase. A mate of mine got a Galaxy S1 when they were Samsung's flagship device and I was so impressed. It was a truly terrific phone. It seemed to do everything my Symbian did, just... better, quicker, smoother and with the most incredible apps with the original Market which was arguably as good if not better than the current one!

Anyway, after looking at a number of cheap new Android devices at that time (Orange San Francisco, ZTE Blade, Sony X8 etc) I found someone selling a second hand iPhone 3GS and I figured, well if the S1 is good then an iPhone will be good too! They're competitors after all. How bitterly disappointed I was. Signal was poor, call quality was poor, apps (the supposed standout feature of the iPhone) seemed unrefined and bland. Even simple features from my Symbian phone were missing and I found it very hard to do what may be considered more 'Advanced' tasks. I didn't need a child friendly phone. I needed a proper smartphone. The symbian device allowed me to do things that the iPhone couldn't.

I sold the iPhone (which I've spoken about a few times on here as I ended up having an eBay nightmare) and eventually got an S1 on a very reasonable contract. I used it right up until February last year and still keep it as my permanent backup. Still possible to put the newest Android on it.

Good Android phones last the test of time. Apple phones don't.

I completely disagree but again this comes down to personal experience/preference.

I found my S1 (which at the time was their flagship phone) was briliant to start with (few months) and then the performence started deteriorating when it was being used properly (multi tasking, loaded with a decent amount of apps etc). It really struggled to perform at the level it was advertised to run at. Added to that the amount of awful apps with bugs and issues due to a store, at the time, which barely checked the apps they published and had little to no quality control it was awful. Yes it could do loads of really advanced things... but these advanced things were at the expense of an easy to use everyday OS.

The 3GS wasnt exceptional either however the iphone 4 resolved these problems quicker than samsung managed and even now the play store still has loads of issues with apps due to them being made for 50 different android phones at a time.

For me ive had a 4s for 2 years. Works the same as the day i got it and makes managing my life heaven. Yes i could upgrade in december... will I? probably, do i need to? not really. It has already lasted longer than my S1 though.

Stoke

matj16 wrote: »

I completely disagree but again this comes down to personal experience/preference.

I found my S1 (which at the time was their flagship phone) was briliant to start with (few months) and then the performence started deteriorating when it was being used properly (multi tasking, loaded with a decent amount of apps etc). It really struggled to perform at the level it was advertised to run at. Added to that the amount of awful apps with bugs and issues due to a store, at the time, which barely checked the apps they published and had little to no quality control it was awful. Yes it could do loads of really advanced things... but these advanced things were at the expense of an easy to use everyday OS.

The 3GS wasnt exceptional either however the iphone 4 resolved these problems quicker than samsung managed and even now the play store still has loads of issues with apps due to them being made for 50 different android phones at a time.

For me ive had a 4s for 2 years. Works the same as the day i got it and makes managing my life heaven. Yes i could upgrade in december... will I? probably, do i need to? not really. It has already lasted longer than my S1 though.

Some interesting points there and nice to see your 4S running good.

I notice you mention multi-tasking, obviously one of the standout features of Android at the time, was that it possessed native 'App' multi-tasking, something Apple at the time failed to implement in iOS for years, as they opted for single app execution and desperately tried to plug this concept. I think this is why people were ultimately disappointed with their Android experience at the time. The Apple device always ran smoothly, because there was no multi-tasking beyond the background services. Android had true multi-tasking, but that multi-tasking always comes at a price and ultimately that is performance.

It's no surprise that Android's multi-tasking is now far superior to what it was back in 2011 and a Galaxy S1 runs KitKat as good as any new phone with similar specs. I'm not going to lie and say upgrading to the newest version of Android makes an S1 as good as an S5, because it doesn't. It's a bit like running Windows 7 on a Pentium 4. Yes it runs, but it's not quite as good as a new PC. Multi-tasking on an S1 now is far better than it was back then and that's an impressive feat in itself.

Buggy apps is something covered a lot when it comes to Android vs iPhone. While I won't deny buggy apps exist on Android, there are plenty on iPhone too. Neither OS is bullet proof, and developers are constantly stretching the boundaries. In a rather backwards step, Apple have actually loosened their restrictions on the AppStore. It's a lot more like the Market, than the original AppStore I assure you. More buggy apps appear on the AppStore now than ever before. The Play Store hasn't really changed. It's up to the developer to test their apps properly. However a dangerously unstable app will be removed within hours even minutes. In reality though, I don't come across very many buggy apps nowadays and I would say I'm a very committed Android user.

"Yes it could do loads of really advanced things... but these advanced things were at the expense of an easy to use everyday OS."

And this is where our personal preferences differ. The advanced features are what make Android a desirable phone for me, but they're also what put others off.

Very confused by your point regarding apps being made for 50 different phones. The kind of fragmentation you talk of is an Apple concocted myth peddled back when Apple were massively dominant but Android was starting to grab a market share. At the time, API's were improperly documented, device hardware was far too specific and general testing found apps may only work on a few devices. Google started the Open Handset Alliance back in 2007 I believe, just before the first proper release of Android. The point of the Open Handset Alliance is to ensure all Android devices use the base source of Android therefore keeping fragmentation to an absolute minimum. It also means many phones now share the same chipsets, GPU's, Wi-Fi adapters, flash memory, cellular modems etc etc. So in reality, developing for Android is actually significantly easier than Apple fanboys would like you to believe, and this myth that you have to develop your app for 50 different phones is complete rubbish... that's coming from someone who has developed professionally.

If you're happy there's no need to upgrade. The 4S is a good phone and while it runs iOS well, there's absolutely no point in changing

vqmismatch

At least you have a functional choice, in my field all the useful reference apps are only kept remotely functional for iOS, which has hence become so ubiquitous that finding a paper versions in many areas is nigh on impossible.

I gave up trying with android 2 years ago and went back to symbian as it was just as functional for my purposes. This year though I think an iPhone is an inevitable purchase.