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I hate apple!

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  • Stoke
    Stoke Posts: 3,182 Forumite
    prowla wrote: »
    I'd rather be in a world where Apple was the market leader than any other company; I lived through the 90s, when it was all Windows for PCs, and what a dull world that was.

    I've used Blackberry, Windows Phone, Android and iPhones; the iPhone wins hands-down, especially when you consider it has a built-in iPod and is compatible with the iPad.

    As for Apple ease of use, I sometimes find it disconcerting when things work, without me knowing how...

    But yes, sometimes iTunes can be a bit clunky, can't it. However, for me, the benefits outweigh the odds.
    What a confused and clumsy post, no offence intended. You lived t hrough the 90's where it was all Windows for PC's? There were Macs as well, they just weren't very good. It was a low point for Apple.

    "it has a built-in iPod" - May I remind you that an iPod is merely a brand name for an MP3/portable music player. The fact it's an iPod merely indicates it's a product of Apple.

    almillar wrote: »
    consumers_revenge - if it's a problem with that service, have you had a go at: uninstall iTunes. Restart computer. Restart computer again. Install iTunes (latest version) again. You might also be able to choose between the 32 bit and 64 bit versions of iTunes which might help.

    Stoke - my knickers are firmly attached. Actually hold on...
    Multitasking, like a computer, on mobile devices is very recent, WebOS started it, and Android and iOS still don't have the same thing, they have lots of services that can run in the background but is more rigidly controlled than WebOS was. That helps with battery life and system speed, but it's not the pure multitasking we're used to on PCs. And the way you switch between apps on iOS IS pure theft... I'm not bitter, honest...
    Anyway, we're talking about an iPod Shuffle, and I guess a Windows computer, so iOS and Android shouldn't even have been mentioned...

    webOS started it did it heh? Yeah, sure it did. Actually there were Symbian S60 devices around in 2002 that offered genuine multitasking including in-app multitasking. A Nokia 6600 is an excellent example of a device from 2003 that had seamless multitasking and thanks to it's solid hardware, can operate smoothly with over 30 or 40 apps open, including user developed apps.

    Android's multitasking essentially involves a life cycle. Disable that life cycle, and you have true 100% PC like multitasking.
  • almillar
    almillar Posts: 8,621 Forumite
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    Stoke (sorry for being off-topic) - I had a Nokia 6630 - was that S60? Did it really have actual multitasking? PalmOS sort of did several things at a time but it wasn't true multitasking. Maybe I should reprhase from multi tasking to 'multitasking and task switching' - I've never seen any Nokia that could show you what was running and what it was doing so well, and allow you to switch to it or kill it so efficiently as webOS. Until Apple stole the interface. No really, I'm still not bitter...
  • Stoke
    Stoke Posts: 3,182 Forumite
    almillar wrote: »
    Stoke (sorry for being off-topic) - I had a Nokia 6630 - was that S60? Did it really have actual multitasking? PalmOS sort of did several things at a time but it wasn't true multitasking. Maybe I should reprhase from multi tasking to 'multitasking and task switching' - I've never seen any Nokia that could show you what was running and what it was doing so well, and allow you to switch to it or kill it so efficiently as webOS. Until Apple stole the interface. No really, I'm still not bitter...

    Yes, 6630 had S60 and had proper multitasking. Here's an old video of Symbian doing it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQqbpK_uYlM
  • prowla
    prowla Posts: 14,176 Forumite
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    edited 26 July 2014 at 8:12AM
    Stoke wrote: »
    What a confused and clumsy post, no offence intended. You lived t hrough the 90's where it was all Windows for PC's? There were Macs as well, they just weren't very good. It was a low point for Apple.
    Yes, I lived through the 90s when Apple lost its way (and meandered on with an obsolete system), and the only choice was which brand of Windows PC to get.

    Contrast that with (a) the 80s, where there were lots of options in a vibrant home computing market, and (b) now, where we have Apple, Linux, UNIX as viable desktop systems.

    So yes, the 90s were a relatively dull time in computing.
    Stoke wrote: »
    "it has a built-in iPod" - May I remind you that an iPod is merely a brand name for an MP3/portable music player. The fact it's an iPod merely indicates it's a product of Apple.
    Perhaps I could remind you that the iPod is not just an MP3/portable music player; it also runs apps. In fact my kids have iPods and hardly use them for music.

    So labelling it as just an MP3 music player is rather missing the point.

    Yes, I know that there are other brands of music (MP3 and other formats) player, but I said that the iPhone has a built-in iPod and is compatible with the iPad; picking up only on the MP3 aspect ignores its other capabilities.

    In my case, I used to have a (very nice) Nokia phone and an iPod, but I consolidated them into a single iPhone. (I already had a load of apps for my iPod, so the decision was quite straightforward.)

    I also replaced a physical TomTom sat-nav with the app on my phone. It works fine in the car and I've got it with me all the time.

    As for alternatives to the iPod (either just as a music player, or taking into account its other capabilities), what are there? Sony? Microsoft? Creative (or have they gone)? iRiver (I did consider an iRiver back in the 80s)? Windows Phone (I have one; it is rubbish!)? Android (I also have one of them, and it's a bit clunky and Samsung's batteries are awful)?

    Me, I'll stick with my confused and clumsy view of the world...
  • andydiysaver
    andydiysaver Posts: 424 Forumite
    Nada666 wrote: »
    They may have a monopoly on making Monopoly money from a couple of sectors but they have nothing like a monopoly in any of them.
    they create barriers to entry, hows your electric and gas lately? ok you're going to tell me your bills are so low you feel like paying them more just to prove a point but most people have sky high bills, why? because the big six create substantial barriers to entry - same with apple and their I this I that, getting to a stage where I cannot fart unless its an ifart - bad for the consumer, megabucks for apple. you just feel it less and complain about it less cause it's a one off product purchase per year or longer for most people, not a rolling contract, a lot of very poor people with credit cards maxed out because eon powers their swanky I this and I that, who is laughing, the consumer or the monopolies?
  • andydiysaver
    andydiysaver Posts: 424 Forumite
    prowla wrote: »
    Yes, I lived through the 90s when Apple lost its way (and meandered on with an obsolete system), and the only choice was which brand of Windows PC to get.

    Contrast that with (a) the 80s, where there were lots of options in a vibrant home computing market, and (b) now, where we have Apple, Linux, UNIX as viable desktop systems.

    So yes, the 90s were a relatively dull time in computing.

    Perhaps I could remind you that the iPod is not just an MP3/portable music player; it also runs apps. In fact my kids have iPods and hardly use them for music.

    So labelling it as just an MP3 music player is rather missing the point.

    Yes, I know that there are other brands of music (MP3 and other formats) player, but I said that the iPhone has a built-in iPod and is compatible with the iPad; picking up only on the MP3 aspect ignores its other capabilities.

    In my case, I used to have a (very nice) Nokia phone and an iPod, but I consolidated them into a single iPhone. (I already had a load of apps for my iPod, so the decision was quite straightforward.)

    I also replaced a physical TomTom sat-nav with the app on my phone. It works fine in the car and I've got it with me all the time.

    As for alternatives to the iPod (either just as a music player, or taking into account its other capabilities), what are there? Sony? Microsoft? Creative (or have they gone)? iRiver (I did consider an iRiver back in the 80s)? Windows Phone (I have one; it is rubbish!)? Android (I also have one of them, and it's a bit clunky and Samsung's batteries are awful)?

    Me, I'll stick with my confused and clumsy view of the world...
    creative were excellent in their time, I still use a lot of their stuff, if they've gone, sad to see them go.
  • Nada666
    Nada666 Posts: 5,004 Forumite
    they create barriers to entry, hows your electric and gas lately? ok you're going to tell me your bills are so low you feel like paying them more just to prove a point but most people have sky high bills, why? because the big six create substantial barriers to entry - same with apple and their I this I that, getting to a stage where I cannot fart unless its an ifart - bad for the consumer, megabucks for apple. you just feel it less and complain about it less cause it's a one off product purchase per year or longer for most people, not a rolling contract, a lot of very poor people with credit cards maxed out because eon powers their swanky I this and I that, who is laughing, the consumer or the monopolies?

    Never mind a strong monopoly - are you sitting close to a very strong monopole?
  • what!!?!!!?
  • tronator
    tronator Posts: 2,859 Forumite
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    what!!?!!!?

    First hit on Google

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole
  • prowla
    prowla Posts: 14,176 Forumite
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    I think a magnetic monopole is impossible; you can't have North without South.
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