stop/start

topdaddy_2

motorguy wrote: »

Its genuinely amazing the lengths top daddy is going to to avoid saying he agrees with us.

The main reason would be cause he doesnt.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

topdaddy wrote: »

The main reason would be cause he doesnt.

OK heaters don't work the way you think they do!.


infact some heater matrixes have a circulation pump attached to the heater solenoid to push hot water into the matrix cores when the engines isn't running but the ignition is live, some merc/BMW/bently cars funny enough have this to draw hot water form the radiator. AHH damn but they cant work like that!.

almillar

THERE ARE NO HEATERS. THE ENGINE IS THE 'HEATER'
OK. Give that a moment to sink in...

topdaddy.None of the above has anything to do with what you've been arguing about all this time. When a warmed up engine (where the heat comes from) switches off, irrespective of whether it has stop/start or not, you will continue to have warm air available for a while, from residual heat. You've been arguing that the heat instantly stops, it does not.

really? If you could quote where i said that, that would be just great, super awesome in fact

Here it is:

What? The heater runs of the engine heat and wont circulate without the engine running.

Further, with stop/start, there are plenty of systems in the car that mean if the engine is needed again for many reasons, the engine will be restarted.

if you could again remind me where I said otherwise that would support your case

You did not say otherwise, I extended the information to make it relevant to stop start systems. We're not arguing about this.

And finally, I think everyone has agreed, that most cars have an override for start/stop if needed, but that the OP wouldn't need to override.

I think I pretty much said as much did I not?

Yes, again, everyone is in agreement over this, that MOST cars have an override, we're not arguing about this.

Nope, OP stated it, no assumption.

did they? Where? Quote...well you know the drill

Here:

I'm probably going to get shot down in flames for this but I have to wait between 10 & 20 mins for them to come out of school and due to illness do not tolerate cold or getting chilled very well. I will add that I do feel guilty when keeping the engine running.

Anything else? Can you agree with this statement and we can put this to bed?
OP wants to sit in the car with the heating on. OP wants to know if they can override the stop/start system so that they can keep the engine running and not lose heat. OP has been advised that stop/start systems are smarter than they think, and monitor many systems whilst 'stopped', and that this would include the amout of heat (still) being blown into the cabin, and would therefore continue to start and stop as necessary to keep them warm. Case closed...?

topdaddy_2

IanMSpencer wrote: »

No idea and I have a potty mouth.

Reported;)

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

topdaddy wrote: »

Reported;)

I can live with that - mildly offensive but factually correct. :rotfl:

topdaddy_2

Almillar can you not read? (And excessive use of spaces makes it diffcult to quote youon a phone-first world problems....)Anyway op didnt say the heater was on and you couldnt quote where they said it was. So fail. Soz. The other two points you agree with me, well done, it is there in black and white afterall.
Again your following the same misguided train of fault as mg, lot of that about. My point was not relevant to a stop start system or the ops individual needs. Just heaters dont work that way. And they dont.(youve even said your self they will need the engine back on to work) Skadooosh! That was the realisation I was right all along hitting you square in the face.

topdaddy_2

IanMSpencer wrote: »

I can live with that - mildly offensive but factually correct. :rotfl:

But its not though is it pillock?

BeenThroughItAll

Couple of points to add here which might help topdaddy out.


1. Many vehicles with SS are equipped with a separate small electric water pump which sits in-line with the heater matrix, allowing the coolant to be circulated even without the engine-driven water pump running. It's the same thing as BMW, Merc, Volvo have been doing for years with the 'REST' or similar button on their climate controls which allows you to use residual engine temperature to heat the cabin. I can tell you from personal experience that this feature will allow you to turn a heater from cold to hot and still get heating in the cabin even if the engine is not running, as it starts the electric pump to circulate the coolant until such time as the residual heat is used up or desired cabin temperature is reached.


2. I have come across a number of vehicles which don't actually stop coolant flow through the heater matrix even when the temperature control is set to cold. Instead, they use an electrically operated heater bypass flap to direct intake air through a path which misses out the matrix. This reduces complexity and restriction in the cooling system by meaning a heater flow control valve and in some cases coolant bypass are no longer required; instead the matrix receives a constant coolant flow.


I doubt this will help change your opinion that you're the only one correct here, but it's factual nonetheless.

RichardD1970

topdaddy wrote: »

Just heaters dont work that way.

You keep saying this, so enlighten us,

How do heaters work?

atrixblue.-MFR-.

im almost positive topdaddy thinks there some sort of heater element like in a washing machine when there isn't.


topdaddy thinks because the OP didn't ask a direct question do heater work when stop start is enabled he thinks he has one up on everyone, fortunately the OP mentioned the need to keep warm in winter, which suggests OP has some sort of ailment where keeping body temp regulated is key to their health, this is where this debate has derived from about cabin temp stop start and engine auto start to keep the cabin temp regulated. so the mere fact that a direct question wasn't posed, doesn't mean people cant offer some education on how the heating system works in a stop start.


C'MON TOPDADDY WE ALL WANT TO KNOW YOUR VERSION OF HOW THEY WORK!!! and for clarity, Topdaddy HOW DOES THE HEATING SYSTEM WORK IN A STOP START CAR?


just incase he needed a direct question to answer.