Hi everyone I Need Help again

dktreesea

skintmacflint wrote: »

All very well for you to say sitting safely in your armchair. Would you feel the same if it was your husband, father, brother you were insisting risk his life to break up a large street riot when outnumbered. My friends son who is a policeman was stabbed 2 years ago on a drug raid. No service is perfect but I think in today's society the police have a difficult job to do .

As it happens there are now around police officers in Scotland carrying guns on routine patrols and police work. And some people and MSPs aren't happy about it.

I don't have a problem with arming the police. And why aren't police going on drug raids carrying guns and wearing stab vests?

And those large street riots? A few shots fired in the air and the people involved would have scarpered real quick. Peace restored. Instead we had a girl jumping out of a burning building.

dktreesea

justjohn wrote: »

There are armed response units and sections that deal with gangs that carry guns...


Trouble is they just riot if the police come down hard....and the police/gov never seem to nip it in the bud.
mind you good old boris does have some cool water cannons now....GO BORIS


i seen a guy get shot in hackney , but its common place. Most locals have seen it all before.

Maybe rioting is just an English cultural thing? When the riots were going on in London, Glasgow's streets were awash with police. We even had a noticeable police presence in Edinburgh. We couldn't stop laughing. If the riots had taken off up here, half of Edinburgh and Glasgow residents would have been out on the street helping the police to stop them. Scots wouldn't have put up with it.

Pollycat

dktreesea wrote: »

Yes, but that doesn't entitle the police to use unjustified and excessive force.

If the police turned up at my door to conduct a raid, they had better be polite AND have a properly executed search warrant. I don't see them forcing their way into any of the big wig crimnals homes without a search warrant and by breaking down the door. They're just going after the small fry to pander to those on the estate who were whinging about their estate being a drug dealer's paradise.

And why don't they go after the users as well as the dealers? They are both breaking the law.

Years ago when kerb crawling was a problem up here, the police started targetting and prosecuting the buyers of prostitute's services as well as the prostitutes themselves. It worked like a dream. No more red light districts (at the time there were two, one near a primary school).

You consider decent people who complain about drug dealers in the vicinity of their homes as 'whingers'?

Really?

Your attitude amazes (and disgusts) me.

missbiggles1

dktreesea wrote: »

Maybe rioting is just an English cultural thing? When the riots were going on in London, Glasgow's streets were awash with police. We even had a noticeable police presence in Edinburgh. We couldn't stop laughing. If the riots had taken off up here, half of Edinburgh and Glasgow residents would have been out on the street helping the police to stop them. Scots wouldn't have put up with it.

More likely because of the reasons given in this article.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/aug/16/why-didn-t-riots-reach-scotland

justjohn

its totally different in Scotland. We do not have the "cultural/ethnic" mix. Our gangs are not the same.


Scotland's gangs would not last 5 mins dumped in the centre of some of the worst areas in London lol


Also a lid is kept on Scotland's gang culture. In England it is bigger and handled differently.

justjohn

dktreesea wrote: »

Scots wouldn't have put up with it.

Ye probably...but when you get used to things, you do put up with it.


We call the police if kids are shouting and roaring in the street late at night where we are. The police come out and move them on. (or we go out and have a word, without a stab vest lol )


You can't do that in many area's in Britain the police will just not bother or you would get you windows put in lol

Pollycat

dktreesea wrote: »

Yes, but that doesn't entitle the police to use unjustified and excessive force.

If the police turned up at my door to conduct a raid, they had better be polite AND have a properly executed search warrant. I don't see them forcing their way into any of the big wig crimnals homes without a search warrant and by breaking down the door. They're just going after the small fry to pander to those on the estate who were whinging about their estate being a drug dealer's paradise.

Who said it was unjustified and excessive force?

Ah yes! The OP does. And you appear to believe her.
Have you even read the article in the Daily Mail?

If you've broken the law, you don't deserve to be treated politely.

Top_Girl

A few things

Drug dealing isn't a rite of passage or a necessity for a birthday celebration.

Dealing drugs five times, that your mother is aware of, isn't a silly mistake, it's a criminal career.

Taxpayers aren't exclusively English.

People arrested for dealing drugs aren't exclusively non-English.

The fault isn't with the police, the 'white barons', society or even yourself*

The fault is with your son. If he has been raised to think everyone else is to blame for his misdemeanours, it's not difficult to see why he has turned out this way.

Pay for your door and decide on your next steps.


* As a parent turning a blind eye to his drug dealing and using it being his birthday as an EXCUSE, you've got off lightly with a broken door IMHO.

skintmacflint

dktreesea wrote: »

And those large street riots? A few shots fired in the air and the people involved would have scarpered real quick. Peace restored. Instead we had a girl jumping out of a burning building.

Now you're being silly. The link miss boggles gave to the Guardian article and the fact the police were on the alert and shut down the FB pages of a couple of punters trying to start a riot before it could evn start are much more accurate than your explanation that the ascots wouldn't stand for it.

I'm Scottish and live in Scotland. And you're way off the mark here.

dktreesea

skintmacflint wrote: »

Now you're being silly. The link miss boggles gave to the Guardian article and the fact the police were on the alert and shut down the FB pages of a couple of punters trying to start a riot before it could evn start are much more accurate than your explanation that the ascots wouldn't stand for it.

I'm Scottish and live in Scotland. And you're way off the mark here.

Mmm. The last major riot in Scotland on the scale of the English riots in London was in 1919. I rest my case.

A pretty good effort on the part of our police though, to shut it all down before it even started. I've lived in both Scotland and England. Two completely different places. Architecture, attitudes, infrastructure. Scotland feels like Scandanavia to me.