Hi everyone I Need Help again

hardworking_mummy

I would hope there are other tenant's of your housing provider reading this thread. I would be starting a campaign to ensure you pay for the entire door. It looks like this will be the first of many. Why should a penny of the repair budget be used on your self inflicted woes?
I would also hope the Housing Provider start eviction proceedings based on anti social behaviour. You have no excuse now - you are aware of what your son is. If you continue to allow him to live in your property then you are complicit in whatever hell he brings your way and the way of your poor neighbours.
If the laws and the way they are enforced in this country are so distasteful then why did you come here? I bet it's because you know full well the thought of getting compensation from the police for breaking into a drug dealers home wouldn't be entertained in your home land. Why it was even mentioned here is beyond me.
We have definitely reaped what we have sown. Weak parenting, weak courts, blame and victim culture rampant and accountability a dirty word. Why are we so afraid so call it as it is. Regardless of the colour of your skin or where you originally came from - if you are not contributing to society in a positive way most reasonable people would like you to leave. Why would we not? Sadly we are stuck with our own home grown scum - but at least we should have a fighting chance of getting rid of other countries losers?

dodger1

lumja wrote: »

you people are being unfair simple as that!
Is it the whole purpose of the raid to gain access as soon as possible???
Yes

Precisely, and that's why they use a battering ram as it's the quickest method in most situations. I have never heard of or seen a chain saw being used to gain entry. I'm glad you answered yes to your own question, shows you're starting to learn and accept that the police were correct.

dktreesea

FBaby wrote: »

Let's see. If the police had broken down your door by mistake thinking your innocent child was guilty of dealing drugs, then yes, the Police would have wrong and would be responsible for paying.

If the police breaks the door because a criminal is inside and they believed that there was a high risk of them asconding if they just knocked on the door and ask for them, then they certainly did the right thing.

I'm quite curious as to why you haven't once mentioned the fact that maybe your SON should be the one paying for the door?

Yes, but that doesn't entitle the police to use unjustified and excessive force.

If the police turned up at my door to conduct a raid, they had better be polite AND have a properly executed search warrant. I don't see them forcing their way into any of the big wig crimnals homes without a search warrant and by breaking down the door. They're just going after the small fry to pander to those on the estate who were whinging about their estate being a drug dealer's paradise.

And why don't they go after the users as well as the dealers? They are both breaking the law.

Years ago when kerb crawling was a problem up here, the police started targetting and prosecuting the buyers of prostitute's services as well as the prostitutes themselves. It worked like a dream. No more red light districts (at the time there were two, one near a primary school).

hardworking_mummy

dktreesea wrote: »

Yes, but that doesn't entitle the police to use unjustified and excessive force.

If the police turned up at my door to conduct a raid, they had better be polite AND have a properly executed search warrant. I don't see them forcing their way into any of the big wig crimnals homes without a search warrant and by breaking down the door. They're just going after the small fry to pander to those on the estate who were whinging about their estate being a drug dealer's paradise.

And why don't they go after the users as well as the dealers? They are both breaking the law

Years ago when kerb crawling was a problem up here, the police started targetting and prosecuting the buyers of prostitute's services as well as the prostitutes themselves. It worked like a dream. No more red light districts (at the time there were two, one near a primary school).

They do. People get arrested everyday for possession. People get arrested everyday for shoplifting and burglary and muggings and fraud which are done to pay for their habits.
However if Mr Well Paid happens to discreetly do a bit of coke at the weekend how exactly are the police supposed to detect that?

As for the police "better" being polite if they raided your property - they had better or what? You would put in one of the thousands of complaints people who have nothing to complain about do? The public only ever hear about the ones that are so serious they make the news. Or are upheld. Criminals put in complaints every single day about some of the most ridiculous things (such as using an accepted and legal mode of entry during the execution of a warrant) and they are treat with the contempt they deserve.
I don't know any other job where you are expected to take abuse every single day - have criminals threaten you and your family and you can do nothing about it. If the police tried to prosecute every time they were threatened or assaulted the courts would be clogged up from now until the end of time. But god forbid if they don't stand around waiting for the door of the home of a known drug dealer to be opened....

dktreesea

hardworking_mummy wrote: »

They do. People get arrested everyday for possession. People get arrested everyday for shoplifting and burglary and muggings and fraud which are done to pay for their habits.
However if Mr Well Paid happens to discreetly do a bit of coke at the weekend how exactly are the police supposed to detect that?

I'm sure the police know who the big suppliers are. I don't believe they are so smart to be able to go undetected, right under the police's noses.

I'd like to see more resources going to towards cutting off the heads of the drug supply cartels, instead of just going after the equivalent of the fingernails.

justjohn

trouble is getting to the top of the tree rather than just the larger dealers. Not a simple task. Especially in area's like London, the gang culture makes things more difficult.


i would like to see zero tolerance in gang area's. That would be the only way places would get cleaned up properly. Trouble is there would be too many injustices "to law abiding citizens" like this ...NOT

dktreesea

justjohn wrote: »

trouble is getting to the top of the tree rather than just the larger dealers. Not a simple task. Especially in area's like London, the gang culture makes things more difficult.


i would like to see zero tolerance in gang area's. That would be the only way places would get cleaned up properly. Trouble is there would be too many injustices "to law abiding citizens" like this ...NOT

So there's a gang culture. It's about time the police step up their game. Sometimes I think parts of London especially are like the Wild West. Take the London riots. Police standing by watching people while they trashed property because it was "too dangerous for them to intervene" and they "didn't want to inflame the situation".

If the police don't feel properly equipped to go up against armed drug dealers, perhaps it's about time they carried weapons? I don't see the public having any problem with them being armed (with very sophisticated looking tommy guns - I was shocked when i first saw this) at Heathrow.

As to the ones at the top of the tree, how about some asset consfication? I'm sure the police have the skills to trace the money.

justjohn

dktreesea wrote: »

If the police don't feel properly equipped to go up against armed drug dealers, perhaps it's about time they carried weapons? I don't see the public having any problem with them being armed (with very sophisticated looking tommy guns - I was shocked when i first saw this) at Heathrow.

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There are armed response units and sections that deal with gangs that carry guns...


Trouble is they just riot if the police come down hard....and the police/gov never seem to nip it in the bud.
mind you good old boris does have some cool water cannons now....GO BORIS


i seen a guy get shot in hackney , but its common place. Most locals have seen it all before.

skintmacflint

dktreesea wrote: »

So there's a gang culture. It's about time the police step up their game. Sometimes I think parts of London especially are like the Wild West. Take the London riots. Police standing by watching people while they trashed property because it was "too dangerous for them to intervene" and they "didn't want to inflame the situation".

If the police don't feel properly equipped to go up against armed drug dealers, perhaps it's about time they carried weapons? I don't see the public having any problem with them being armed (with very sophisticated looking tommy guns - I was shocked when i first saw this) at Heathrow.

As to the ones at the top of the tree, how about some asset consfication? I'm sure the police have the skills to trace the money.

All very well for you to say sitting safely in your armchair. Would you feel the same if it was your husband, father, brother you were insisting risk his life to break up a large street riot when outnumbered. My friends son who is a policeman was stabbed 2 years ago on a drug raid. No service is perfect but I think in today's society the police have a difficult job to do .

As it happens there are now around police officers in Scotland carrying guns on routine patrols and police work. And some people and MSPs aren't happy about it.

skintmacflint

Did anyone read the article quoted? Said only 1 property had the door forced and the resident was in the process of throwing drugs and money out the window while this was going on?