Since when did a Mongrel start getting posh names

JencParker

CATS wrote: »

I just bought a maltishu. I really liked the look and traits of both dogs so I decided to get a cross. Yes it might cost as much as a pure breed but I got exactly what I wanted. I got so see mum and dad and they are both kc registered. She is the prettiest thing and in my eyes worth every penny. I also hopefully wont have to worry too much about the genetic issues, I know its no gurantee. I bought her because I loved the way she looked, why do people buy pure breeds?

What makes you think you won't have to worry about genetic issues? Both breeds suffer from eye problems amongst others - did both parents have KC/BVA Eye tests unaffected? and were either DNA tested? Somehow I doubt it - very few cross breeders bother with testing because it costs and eats into their profits.

Sadly, money is the motivation for this designer breeding.

JencParker

teddysmum wrote: »

KC registration can be meaningless.


For instance, a Blenheim(red and white) cavalier, bred with a tricolour or another Blenheim, cannot produce a litter of whole colour (ie with no white) puppies, but it took years of lobbying by breed experts, together with evidence form university geneticists, to convince the KC not to allow registrations of such 'offspring' (usually by puppy farmers).


Registration is also no proof of health, unless you know of a breeder's reputation, as even those on the Accredited Breeders list are only accredited after stating that dogs have had health tests; no proof asked for . (This may possibly have changed in the last few years, but was so a while back, when people I knew had to deal with a situation.)

KC registration is not meaningless. It is what it is. A registration. It has restrictions on how old the !!!!! is and how many litters she can have and how frequently, so hopefully won't have been bred from too much (although it doesn't stop the unscrupulous breeding on every season and only registering some of the litters).

Most importantly, it keeps a record of the dog's (and !!!!!'s) health tests. These are proper health tests including hip/elbow scoring/ eye tests and various DNA tests. It is a complete record that is open to the public so they can check when looking to buy a puppy. No one should buy a puppy unless the parents have had the proper health checks (and I don't mean a check over by the vet). If people stopped buying from untested parents, the poor breeding practices would stop.

Ilmenelda

I am the co-owner of a Jorkie and a Jackeranian who are much loved by all.

A Jack Russell/Yorkie and a Jack Russell/Pomeranian.

They have the traits of both their breeds - and not all good

And I didn't pay huge sums for them, the Jorkie we planned but the Jackeranian we rescued. A first cross could be what would suit someone perfectly in their lives. They are both lovely with the lively personalities of Jacks, smooth coated the Jorkie is ginger and the Jackeranian is blond.

We previously had a Jack Russell/Border Terrier until she passed away age 16.

Standard dog breeds and I mean those currently recognised by the Kennel Club were made for a bygone age. People live differently, their homes are smaller, they don't go hunting, or have the neccessity to kill rats running around in their yards, so dogs will change too.

lostinrates

Ilmenelda wrote: »

I am the co-owner of a Jorkie and a Jackeranian who are much loved by all.

A Jack Russell/Yorkie and a Jack Russell/Pomeranian.

They have the traits of both their breeds - and not all good

And I didn't pay huge sums for them, the Jorkie we planned but the Jackeranian we rescued. A first cross could be what would suit someone perfectly in their lives. They are both lovely with the lively personalities of Jacks, smooth coated the Jorkie is ginger and the Jackeranian is blond.

We previously had a Jack Russell/Border Terrier until she passed away age 16.

Standard dog breeds and I mean those currently recognised by the Kennel Club were made for a bygone age. People live differently, their homes are smaller, they don't go hunting, or have the neccessity to kill rats running around in their yards, so dogs will change too.

Rats still exist fwiw. And are becoming increasingly resistant to commonly used poisons available to the public.

One of my kc reg dogs is fro. A line that is both successful in the show ring and as a working dog, and is expected to work here. One other is a show line only, but works in jobs other than those bred for, very well.

But the standard breeds are many. There is a whole group of small dogs who were always companion dogs that seem suitable for small rooms.

Other dogs live successfully with out working In their bred for job so long as kept suitably, some haven't worked in their jobs for many years. Dogs bread to wolf hunt, or badger hunt for example.


Other dogs have adapted to work in other roles superbly. Guide/ assistance dogs, sniffer, military, police dogs for example.

catkins

livingfrugally wrote: »

I think it was also to try and breed out the hip problems of labradors whilst breeding in the non-moulting of poodles. They never used them of course, most labradoodles I've ever met are bonkers!

Labradoodles are used as guide dogs, I met one only last week.


Most of the ones I have met and there seems to be loads where I live, the owners say do moult often quite heavily. I don't understand why if someone wants a non or low shedding dog they don't just go for a breed that doesn't shed.

Person_one

catkins wrote: »

Labradoodles are used as guide dogs, I met one only last week.


Most of the ones I have met and there seems to be loads where I live, the owners say do moult often quite heavily. I don't understand why if someone wants a non or low shedding dog they don't just go for a breed that doesn't shed.

This baffles me too. Even on this forum sometimes people have come on looking for advice about getting a dog when they have allergies or asthma and getting a breed that is known not to shed and to be much less allergenic seems to be the last option on the list!

I think its to do with the way those breeds look and the fact that most of them aren't particularly 'trendy' at the moment. Its a real shame as lots of them are fantastic dogs. Poodles which are really unpopular are clever, loyal, athletic, highly trainable little dogs, but some people would rather have a 'Jackapoo' from an unscrupulous breeder with no regard for welfare or even get a shedding breed regardless of the risks and take antihistamines and use petal cleanse wipes on the poor dog for the rest of its life!

Paradigm

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

I would argue why do people buy dogs at all when literally thousands of perfectly healthy good natured dogs are put down every year in the UK !!

I looked into adopting a DDB a few months ago so went to a breed specific rescue website.

The terms & conditions of adoption were, how can I say, over zealous? & I would have to pay upwards of £250 if I was "accepted"...

Rather than filling in the application form (work of art in itself) I gave them a call. It didn't go well!

I appreciate that vetting prospective owners is essential but the conditions imposed by this rescue were so restrictive that I'm surprised they ever manage to rehome anything.

I didn't take it any further (I don't think I was suitable ) & bought a puppy instead, much less hassle.

Of course this is only one rescue out of the hundreds in the country & is probably not typical but it's put me off trying again.

Person_one

Paradigm wrote: »

Of course this is only one rescue out of the hundreds in the country & is probably not typical but it's put me off trying again.

Please don't let it put you off completely. I found that breed specific rescues were a bit on the 'over zealous' side too. One of the questionnaires I was asked to fill in was more detailed than my mortgage application!

However, after looking around for a bit and being patient I eventually found my fantastic dogs who were just what I was looking for in every way in an all-breed smallish rescue that mostly specialised in saving bull breeds from pounds.

I don't think there's anything wrong with getting a puppy from an ethical, responsible breeder, after all they're the ones we need to stay in business if dogs are going to have a rosy future. Rescuing has its place too though and I hate to see people give up or be put off by a bad experience with just one or two rescues.

DigForVictory

When I see my sister doting on her beautifully bred (but vilely trained) labradors, and see folks crooning over the latest "designer name" breed, I think of the Barnum/Hannum quote "one born every minute".

That said, my sister is very happy.
And we know a lot of rescue dog owners.

I'd prefer a Heinz 57 pup with loads of potential & no known bad habits or underlying health conditions, but strangely, those don't get advertised.

Paradigm

Person_one wrote: »

Please don't let it put you off completely. I found that breed specific rescues were a bit on the 'over zealous' side too. One of the questionnaires I was asked to fill in was more detailed than my mortgage application!

However, after looking around for a bit and being patient I eventually found my fantastic dogs who were just what I was looking for in every way in an all-breed smallish rescue that mostly specialised in saving bull breeds from pounds.

I don't think there's anything wrong with getting a puppy from an ethical, responsible breeder, after all they're the ones we need to stay in business if dogs are going to have a rosy future. Rescuing has its place too though and I hate to see people give up or be put off by a bad experience with just one or two rescues.

We'll see. The fact that DDBs are still pretty rare limits the choice, there are none in any rescue near me.

The sad thing is I was willing to travel for the right dog, a couple hundred miles wasn't out of the question but hey ho.

What I especially didn't like was the way they made it sound like they were doing me a favour by considering me & that I came off the phone feeling somewhat "unworthy".

Like you say though, one bad experience...... We'll see